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  • wtgW
    wtgW
    wtg
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    The world has figured out Trump's negotiating style and various countries are adjusting their strategies. Here's Canada re tariffs:

    Prime Minister Mark Carney told his negotiators to walk away from the table after the Trump administration introduced late unacceptable demands on culture, autos and sovereignty that, when taken in concert with their overall approach to talks, revealed the U.S. was not interested in a "true economic partnership" with Canada.

    In a departure from his usual diplomatic language, Carney suggested the U.S. sometimes signs trade deals in "pencil," and while Canada's government is united and working together, the same is not true of the Trump administration.

    "We cannot accept what they've offered, and we will not give what they've asked," Carney said on Saturday in Ottawa, adding that the United States 'asked too much and offered too little.'

    The prime minister revealed that the U.S. had issues with Canada's subsidies for French culture; the prevalence of French-language media online and even the requirement to have bilingual labels on products sold in Canada.

    "It was unacceptable right from the start, but the Americans kept trying and trying and we said no," Carney said. "Ultimately it's simple. That was never on the table for Canada and it would not have been acceptable to Canadians."

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-carney-counter-tarrif-response-9.7316934

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    • dolmansaxlilD
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      Truth.

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      • AdagioMA
        AdagioMA
        AdagioM
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        Good on ya, Canada! Ridiculous from our end.

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          Daniel
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          @adagiom As usual

          'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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          • wtgW
            wtgW
            wtg
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            More proof that he's an idiot.

            https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/08/honoring-the-american-history-of-the-great-lakes-and-renaming-lake-ontario-as-lake-america/

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              Bernard
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              He' a small, little man. Sowing disarray as fast as he can anywhere he can, probably at the behest of Putin. Still think he's probably a puppet. Just look at the constant destruction. He's working for a foreign government, I wouldn't be the least surprised.

              The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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              • dolmansaxlilD
                dolmansaxlilD
                dolmansaxlil
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                • AndyDA
                  AndyDA
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                  How about renaming Canada Geese as Donald Ducks.

                  I could not believe this Lake America story at first, so ridiculous; and anyway, wasn't Ontario named by the native Indians?

                  Ventosa viri restabit

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                  • AndyDA AndyD

                    How about renaming Canada Geese as Donald Ducks.

                    I could not believe this Lake America story at first, so ridiculous; and anyway, wasn't Ontario named by the native Indians?

                    dolmansaxlilD
                    dolmansaxlilD
                    dolmansaxlil
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                    @AndyD said:

                    How about renaming Canada Geese as Donald Ducks.

                    I could not believe this Lake America story at first, so ridiculous; and anyway, wasn't Ontario named by the native Indians?

                    Yes. It is a Wendat word meaning “beautiful lake” or possibly “Great Lake”.

                    Side note: in Canada the more correct term to use is Indigenous to broadly refer to the original inhabitants of North America. While I know it is still accepted/preferred to use “Indian” in some places, and by some people, unless you are specifically discussing legal documents (such as The Indian Act), in Canada the word is considered offensive.

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                    • AndyDA
                      AndyDA
                      AndyD
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                      Showing my age.
                      Indian, indigenous. Is the word tribes acceptable these days?
                      First nation? American aboriginals?
                      Australia I know have gone through this process and is still evolving the non-offensiveness.

                      Transfer that to the UK and you get a real messy jumble of us mongrel folk 😆

                      Personally I like 'aboriginal', even though it is an Italian rooted word.

                      Ventosa viri restabit

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                      • AndyDA AndyD

                        Showing my age.
                        Indian, indigenous. Is the word tribes acceptable these days?
                        First nation? American aboriginals?
                        Australia I know have gone through this process and is still evolving the non-offensiveness.

                        Transfer that to the UK and you get a real messy jumble of us mongrel folk 😆

                        Personally I like 'aboriginal', even though it is an Italian rooted word.

                        dolmansaxlilD
                        dolmansaxlilD
                        dolmansaxlil
                        wrote on last edited by
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                        @AndyD said:

                        Showing my age.
                        Indian, indigenous. Is the word tribes acceptable these days?
                        First nation? American aboriginals?
                        Australia I know have gone through this process and is still evolving the non-offensiveness.

                        Transfer that to the UK and you get a real messy jumble of us mongrel folk 😆

                        Personally I like 'aboriginal', even though it is an Italian rooted word.

                        It’s definitely a bit fraught! Tribe isn’t used here - Nation is a safe term. We use First Nation Métis Inuit as a catch all sometimes but Indigenous has more or less replaced that terminology as well - I think largely because it isn’t acceptable to omit any of those three groups if you are using it as a generic term so it’s a mouthful. Aboriginal was used at one point, especially in legal documents, but it fell out of favour as it was seen as too general. Basically Indigenous leaders have asked that Indigenous be the general term unless you are speaking of a specific Nation or community in which case you should name that Nation. Be specific as possible, and use Indigenous when you are being non specific. When I am talking about a friend of mine with my students I will say that she is an Indigenous person so they understand where I am going with it and then will say that she is an Anishinaabe woman from Bkejwanong. Then I will usually tell them that Bkejwanong is also called Walpole Island, because that is a place name my students will sometimes recognize.

                        I think of the word “Indian” the same way the one might think of the word “Negro” in the US. While it remains in legal documents and the names of some agencies, it would be offensive to use the term to talk about a person or group of people.

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                        • dolmansaxlilD dolmansaxlil

                          @AndyD said:

                          How about renaming Canada Geese as Donald Ducks.

                          I could not believe this Lake America story at first, so ridiculous; and anyway, wasn't Ontario named by the native Indians?

                          Yes. It is a Wendat word meaning “beautiful lake” or possibly “Great Lake”.

                          Side note: in Canada the more correct term to use is Indigenous to broadly refer to the original inhabitants of North America. While I know it is still accepted/preferred to use “Indian” in some places, and by some people, unless you are specifically discussing legal documents (such as The Indian Act), in Canada the word is considered offensive.

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                          Bernard
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                          I suspect "Indian" is more widely used in the US, and "American Indian" is preferred by some American Indians. It's a rather convoluted controversy because there isn't really a settled consensus in the US on what term(s) to use. "Indian" on it's own, seems to be generally not preferred, and is the result of Columbus' mistaken belief that he had reached India when, in fact, he had landed in the Antilles.

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_name_controversy

                          The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                            Bernard
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                            About the OP. Canada controls the Welland Canal don't they? Hm.

                            The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                              About the OP. Canada controls the Welland Canal don't they? Hm.

                              wtgW
                              wtgW
                              wtg
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                              #14

                              @Bernard

                              OMG, I hadn't even thought of that. Guess the administration isn't long on geography. First the Strait of Hormuz and now this....

                              His head would explode if they threatened to raise fees for using the canal...(insert devil emoji here)

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                                CHAS
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                                So what do we call people from India?

                                "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."

                                • Twyla Tharp
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                                • wtgW
                                  wtgW
                                  wtg
                                  wrote on last edited by wtg
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                                  @chas

                                  For a man, maybe "sahib"? 😊

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                                  • AndyDA AndyD

                                    How about renaming Canada Geese as Donald Ducks.

                                    I could not believe this Lake America story at first, so ridiculous; and anyway, wasn't Ontario named by the native Indians?

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                                    Daniel
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                                    @AndyD said:

                                    How about renaming Canada Geese as Donald Ducks.

                                    I could not believe this Lake America story at first, so ridiculous; and anyway, wasn't Ontario named by the native Indians?

                                    I was born in a Gulf of Mexico port city.

                                    For once I agreed with Hillary's smirking in the pews at the reference to the name change.

                                    Maps change all the time. So what.

                                    'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      Bill Maher made a funny. “You can’t just go changing the names of things to support your politics. Ask any LatinX birthing person.”

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                                        Daniel
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                                        Exactly.

                                        'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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