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A good night for NYC progressives

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    #13

    Death to America, Democrat style.

    “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams

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      jon-nyc
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      It seems like they do hate democrats. After all, Isn’t that their theory of the case for nominating far left candidates? That left leaning voters stayed home in 2024, even with Trump on the ballot? Surely they’re not thinking that people like this racist hater of western civilization are going to win over maga voters, normie republicans or centrists.

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        In any event they're most likely outgunned if push comes to shove.

        “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
        ― Douglas Adams

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        • J jon-nyc

          It seems like they do hate democrats. After all, Isn’t that their theory of the case for nominating far left candidates? That left leaning voters stayed home in 2024, even with Trump on the ballot? Surely they’re not thinking that people like this racist hater of western civilization are going to win over maga voters, normie republicans or centrists.

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          Bernard
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          @jon-nyc said:

          Surely they’re not thinking that people like this racist hater of western civilization are going to win over maga voters, normie republicans or centrists.

          I'm surprised by this argument. I don't think they're so naive as to think they're going to win over anyone from MAGA. No one is going to win over MAGA. They are beholden to only one person. We shouldn't waste any of our time or efforts on them. This much should be obvious by now. What is a "normie" republican? Centrists? Politicians in moderate areas should tailor their messages and campaigns towards the electorate in those districts. But they most certainly don't need to piss on progressives to do so. Unless that's all they have, in which case it's pretty pathetic. I think we saw many successful campaigns in other districts that don't lean as far left on moderate terms. I don't see any problem here except the one that has-beens like Carville are intent on creating. For what? So they can "own" the progressives? Playing with fire to say the least. Could be the downfall of the Democrats. There are too many people fed up with the status quo.

          B.S. on hating Democrats. But there is a lot of anger. Does the Big "Beautiful" Bill portray values of the Democratic party? Yet, 7 (or was it 9?) Democrats in Congress voted FOR it. So called "normal" Democrats have betrayed the party more than once in the past 2 years. And not least of which was Biden reneging on his promise to serve a single term thereby causing a hand-picked candidate that way too many people were unhappy about. (I was not one of those unhappy about her, but I was unhappy about the whole boondoggle.)

          Despite what you may wish for, polls show a majority of Americans across the nation in favor of policies like Mamdani's. I'm here for it. We are so past the time for tackling obscene inequality.

          The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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          • MikM Mik

            In any event they're most likely outgunned if push comes to shove.

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            Bernard
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            @Mik It won't work this time. It worked with Sanders, but times have changed.

            The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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              It seems like they do hate democrats. After all, Isn’t that their theory of the case for nominating far left candidates? That left leaning voters stayed home in 2024, even with Trump on the ballot? Surely they’re not thinking that people like this racist hater of western civilization are going to win over maga voters, normie republicans or centrists.

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              Bernard
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              @jon-nyc said:

              After all, Isn’t that their theory of the case for nominating far left candidates?

              No. The theory for nominating progressives/DSA/left candidates is to get something done about the utter failure of late stage capitalism to ensure a decent life for all the citizens of the US. It is to get independently minded politicians who won't bend the knee to today's fat cats or sit in a corner wringing their hands because they might be seen as too 'socialist', because what a horrible word that is.

              The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                Bernard
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                I hope this link will allow entry beyond the paywall... from Josh Marshall. Basically, if you want to win in November, you can't be sitting on purity tests... (but I disagree with him on whether or not Chevalier belongs in Congress. Of course she does, and now has an opportunity to prove that her sincere apology for past comments holds water.)

                https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/centrists-this-is-on-you/sharetoken/98f7e831-921e-4ca7-8eeb-e4abccebec76

                The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                  @jon-nyc said:

                  After all, Isn’t that their theory of the case for nominating far left candidates?

                  No. The theory for nominating progressives/DSA/left candidates is to get something done about the utter failure of late stage capitalism to ensure a decent life for all the citizens of the US. It is to get independently minded politicians who won't bend the knee to today's fat cats or sit in a corner wringing their hands because they might be seen as too 'socialist', because what a horrible word that is.

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                  jon-nyc
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                  @Bernard said:

                  @jon-nyc said:

                  After all, Isn’t that their theory of the case for nominating far left candidates?

                  No. The theory for nominating progressives/DSA/left candidates is to get something done about the utter failure of late stage capitalism to ensure a decent life for all the citizens of the US. It is to get independently minded politicians who won't bend the knee to today's fat cats or sit in a corner wringing their hands because they might be seen as too 'socialist', because what a horrible word that is.

                  You didn’t understand my point here. By ‘theory of thw case’ I meant what new voters they were going to get compared to 2024. To hear them tell it, progressives stayed home. And they think they won’t if someone who thinks white women are ugly or criminals are just misunderstood or whatever runs instead of someone like Kamala.

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                    @jon-nyc said:

                    Surely they’re not thinking that people like this racist hater of western civilization are going to win over maga voters, normie republicans or centrists.

                    I'm surprised by this argument. I don't think they're so naive as to think they're going to win over anyone from MAGA. No one is going to win over MAGA. They are beholden to only one person. We shouldn't waste any of our time or efforts on them. This much should be obvious by now. What is a "normie" republican? Centrists? Politicians in moderate areas should tailor their messages and campaigns towards the electorate in those districts. But they most certainly don't need to piss on progressives to do so. Unless that's all they have, in which case it's pretty pathetic. I think we saw many successful campaigns in other districts that don't lean as far left on moderate terms. I don't see any problem here except the one that has-beens like Carville are intent on creating. For what? So they can "own" the progressives? Playing with fire to say the least. Could be the downfall of the Democrats. There are too many people fed up with the status quo.

                    B.S. on hating Democrats. But there is a lot of anger. Does the Big "Beautiful" Bill portray values of the Democratic party? Yet, 7 (or was it 9?) Democrats in Congress voted FOR it. So called "normal" Democrats have betrayed the party more than once in the past 2 years. And not least of which was Biden reneging on his promise to serve a single term thereby causing a hand-picked candidate that way too many people were unhappy about. (I was not one of those unhappy about her, but I was unhappy about the whole boondoggle.)

                    Despite what you may wish for, polls show a majority of Americans across the nation in favor of policies like Mamdani's. I'm here for it. We are so past the time for tackling obscene inequality.

                    J Online
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                    #21

                    @Bernard said:

                    @jon-nyc said:

                    Surely they’re not thinking that people like this racist hater of western civilization are going to win over maga voters, normie republicans or centrists.

                    I'm surprised by this argument. I don't think they're so naive as to think they're going to win over anyone from MAGA. No one is going to win over MAGA. They are beholden to only one person. We shouldn't waste any of our time or efforts on them. This much should be obvious by now. What is a "normie" republican? Centrists? Politicians in moderate areas should tailor their messages and campaigns towards the electorate in those districts. But they most certainly don't need to piss on progressives to do so. Unless that's all they have, in which case it's pretty pathetic. I think we saw many successful campaigns in other districts that don't lean as far left on moderate terms. I don't see any problem here except the one that has-beens like Carville are intent on creating. For what? So they can "own" the progressives? Playing with fire to say the least. Could be the downfall of the Democrats. There are too many people fed up with the status quo.

                    This argument would be sound if they were satisfied to run these types only in bluer than blue districts. I have a feeling they’ll imagine a presidential candidate should also be this way too. Which raises the question, where do they think the marginal votes going to come from?

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                      Not from the middle. If the GOP runs Vance or someone else I’m not wild about I’m up for grabs if it’s Shapiro or someone else sane. But anyone the progressives are going to like is a no go.

                      “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                      ― Douglas Adams

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