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A good night for NYC progressives

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    jon-nyc
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    Yeah Mamdani had a good night that’s for sure (though Richie Torres had an easy victory in the South Bronx). It remains to be seen how well DSA types do outside of the bluest of blue districts though.

    Lander’s victory didn’t surprise me he probably has better name recognition than the incumbent Dan Goldman (my old rep when I was in Brooklyn)

    Chevalier’s win was more of a surprise to me - the guy she took out leads the Hispanic caucus in the house. She isn’t well known outside NYC but I suspect she’ll be starring in a lot of GOP ads. She took the most extreme positions on defunding police which haven’t aged very well.

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      One thing we don’t know yet is how these election results interact with the big rightward shift we saw in New York in 2024. Things could have snapped back or it’s possible the Democratic coalition is more left wing due to voter exit.

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        Is Lander really DSA?

        Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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          jon-nyc
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          If you had asked me yesterday I would have said that he opportunistically went much further left during the Cuomo/Mamdani matchup when he saw which way the tea leaves were blowing.

          But apparently that’s not the case. ChatGPT told me just this morning that he started affiliating with the DSA in 2016 and actually disassociated himself from the party (if not the beliefs) after 10/7 given the DSAs reaction.

          I had thought of him as something of a centrist Democrat but then I left the city in 2013 and he later ran for city comptroller which is a pretty technocratic position.

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            Yeah Mamdani had a good night that’s for sure (though Richie Torres had an easy victory in the South Bronx). It remains to be seen how well DSA types do outside of the bluest of blue districts though.

            Lander’s victory didn’t surprise me he probably has better name recognition than the incumbent Dan Goldman (my old rep when I was in Brooklyn)

            Chevalier’s win was more of a surprise to me - the guy she took out leads the Hispanic caucus in the house. She isn’t well known outside NYC but I suspect she’ll be starring in a lot of GOP ads. She took the most extreme positions on defunding police which haven’t aged very well.

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            Bernard
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            @jon-nyc said:

            Chevalier’s win was more of a surprise to me - the guy she took out leads the Hispanic caucus in the house. She isn’t well known outside NYC but I suspect she’ll be starring in a lot of GOP ads. She took the most extreme positions on defunding police which haven’t aged very well.

            A couple of things that went against Espaillat: He's already a 5 term incumbent, people want change. His campaign got nasty with racism; wrong political climate for that from a Democrat against another Democrat. What is it with establishment Democrats getting all racist!?

            She did take very far left positions on defunding the police. It's surprising that Espaillat's camp went nasty with racist comments when they had legitimate fodder. She has repeatedly stated that she has moved on from those positions and she has apologized more than once for some other things she said. It remains to be seen how well she moves on from there.

            But her seat is assured in November.

            The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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              Wow that lady is a piece of work. Shes on the record with her goal being ‘to destroy western civilization’ and she’s criticized interracial marriage because black and brown men ‘shouldn’t marry ugly colonizer women’. Her wanting to cede the streets to criminals is probably one of her more moderate positions.

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                Carville complains that the press can’t stop talking about Mamdani going 3 for 3 in the bluest parts pf NYC while totally ignoring the fact that the Serve America pac went 11 for 12 nationwide electing moderate dems.

                Gives hope to those of us who don’t want to turn the party over to people like her.

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                  Moderate Dems should be elected in moderate districts if that what the electorate wants. Progressives should be elected in progressive districts. To say otherwise is to brush aside the electorate. If the Democratic party continues to brush aside (shit on) different factions of the party, they will continue to lose, or worse, splinter.

                  I don't think many people care what Carville says any more. He's from a different era. Times are changing. I'd almost say he's irrelevant.

                  The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                    That’s messenger shooting. His message (that the press can’t stop talking about three victories in deep blue districts but doesn’t mention the success of the Serve America org) is simply true.

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                      Carville complains that the press can’t stop talking about Mamdani going 3 for 3 in the bluest parts pf NYC while totally ignoring the fact that the Serve America pac went 11 for 12 nationwide electing moderate dems.

                      Gives hope to those of us who don’t want to turn the party over to people like her.

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                      @jon-nyc said:

                      Carville complains that the press can’t stop talking

                      That's not messaging. Sure, he points out a fact--one that needs to be taken into account. But he's complaining about it. How about he celebrate it instead of causing division? He is out there, in the press, saying she is not a Democrat. He is out of step and causing fissures.

                      The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                        Democratic strategist James Carville thinks some critics of Tuesday’s results are being overly dramatic, calling their reactions “90% hysterical.” But he told NewsNation’s Elizabeth Vargas on Wednesday that he doesn’t understand or appreciate these candidates’ efforts to use the Democratic Party to advance their socialist ideals.

                        “All of these people hate Democrats,” Carville told Vargas. “Why do you want to run as a Democrat? Start your own movement. If it’s such a powerful, sweeping movement that’s got momentum everywhere, then go ahead and be at the head of it. Don’t use the Democratic Party to advance it.”

                        Carville specifically called out Chevalier, saying Democrats shouldn’t seat her if she wins in November. He said her views were against anything Democrats support.

                        “We believe in pluralism. She doesn’t even believe in interracial dating,” Carville said.

                        “All of these people hate Democrats,” Carville told Vargas. Sounds like something MAGA would say. He's not helping unify the party, he's divisive. Democratic leadership currently enjoys only 25% favorable opinion from Democrats. Most of them are fed up with the DNC. The party had better wake up to the fact that there is broad support for Mamdani's ideas nation wide.

                        It is people like Carville tearing this party apart.

                        The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                          Death to America, Democrat style.

                          “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                          ― Douglas Adams

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                            It seems like they do hate democrats. After all, Isn’t that their theory of the case for nominating far left candidates? That left leaning voters stayed home in 2024, even with Trump on the ballot? Surely they’re not thinking that people like this racist hater of western civilization are going to win over maga voters or centrists.

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                              In any event they're most likely outgunned if push comes to shove.

                              “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                              ― Douglas Adams

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