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    I like to think of it musical context of what is an oldie?

    The first Beatles album came out about 63 years ago.

    When you were listening to that first Beatles album ,what was an oldie that was 63 years old? Well, that’s about when John Philip Sousa wrote “the stars and stripes forever” and Scott Joplin wrote “the entertainer.” The biggest pop song hits were by Al Jolson..

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    @DougG said:

    I like to think of it musical context of what is an oldie?

    The first Beatles album came out about 63 years ago.

    When you were listening to that first Beatles album ,what was an oldie that was 63 years old? Well, that’s about when John Philip Sousa wrote “the stars and stripes forever” and Scott Joplin wrote “the entertainer.” The biggest pop song hits were by Al Jolson..

    Yes. You can absolutely hear Sousa and Joplin in some Beatles songs.

    Also, Joplin had quite a moment shortly after the Beatles broke up.

    I rather like this kind of recursion. The artist reaches back in time for something that many people loved and reintroduces it to a new audience, sometimes but not always (Joplin), reinterpreting it for a new generation.

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      @DougG said:

      I like to think of it musical context of what is an oldie?

      The first Beatles album came out about 63 years ago.

      When you were listening to that first Beatles album ,what was an oldie that was 63 years old? Well, that’s about when John Philip Sousa wrote “the stars and stripes forever” and Scott Joplin wrote “the entertainer.” The biggest pop song hits were by Al Jolson..

      Yes. You can absolutely hear Sousa and Joplin in some Beatles songs.

      Also, Joplin had quite a moment shortly after the Beatles broke up.

      I rather like this kind of recursion. The artist reaches back in time for something that many people loved and reintroduces it to a new audience, sometimes but not always (Joplin), reinterpreting it for a new generation.

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      @Mary-Anna I do hear Sousa and Joplin in some Beatles songs, but it sounds to me like they were used ironically, not in tribute.

      As for feeling old, I am tackling a Chopin etude, the kind of thing I haven’t played in decades. It’s mostly because it will help me evaluate pianos in my search, but partly just to convince myself I can still do it!

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        This music clip makes me feel old. I remember the lyrics from my teens (we've had Live Aid and a few wars since) and yet he's still singing the song.

        https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18rumQdGXr/

        Ventosa viri restabit

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          This music clip makes me feel old. I remember the lyrics from my teens (we've had Live Aid and a few wars since) and yet he's still singing the song.

          https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18rumQdGXr/

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          @AndyD said:

          This music clip makes me feel old. I remember the lyrics from my teens (we've had Live Aid and a few wars since) and yet he's still singing the song.

          https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18rumQdGXr/

          I’ve ever heard that one. I think the only Gilbert O’Sullivan song I know is “Alone Again.”

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            @Mary-Anna I do hear Sousa and Joplin in some Beatles songs, but it sounds to me like they were used ironically, not in tribute.

            As for feeling old, I am tackling a Chopin etude, the kind of thing I haven’t played in decades. It’s mostly because it will help me evaluate pianos in my search, but partly just to convince myself I can still do it!

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            @RealPlayer said:

            @Mary-Anna I do hear Sousa and Joplin in some Beatles songs, but it sounds to me like they were used ironically, not in tribute.

            Huh, that’s interesting. I never thought that or noticed it. I suspect you’re right though. I also wonder how many people noticed it, especially when those songs first came out,

            As for feeling old, I am tackling a Chopin etude, the kind of thing I haven’t played in decades. It’s mostly because it will help me evaluate pianos in my search, but partly just to convince myself I can still do it!

            Oh cool! Is there a reason you picked Chopin’s etudes as opposed to some other collection of pieces?

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              @Mary-Anna I do hear Sousa and Joplin in some Beatles songs, but it sounds to me like they were used ironically, not in tribute.

              Huh, that’s interesting. I never thought that or noticed it. I suspect you’re right though. I also wonder how many people noticed it, especially when those songs first came out,

              As for feeling old, I am tackling a Chopin etude, the kind of thing I haven’t played in decades. It’s mostly because it will help me evaluate pianos in my search, but partly just to convince myself I can still do it!

              Oh cool! Is there a reason you picked Chopin’s etudes as opposed to some other collection of pieces?

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              @ShiroKuro The use of earlier popular music was pretty rare in the 1960s era of rock. When the Beatles did it, it was a novelty. It was also at the suggestion of their producer (I forget his name, Brian something) who had long been in the music business and was expert in many styles including classical.

              As for the Chopin etudes, I find that most of the contemporary music I play doesn’t utilize the resources of the piano that Chopin and others do: different shadings and colorings that require subtle pedaling changes and careful blending in runs and differing textures.

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                @ShiroKuro The use of earlier popular music was pretty rare in the 1960s era of rock. When the Beatles did it, it was a novelty. It was also at the suggestion of their producer (I forget his name, Brian something) who had long been in the music business and was expert in many styles including classical.

                As for the Chopin etudes, I find that most of the contemporary music I play doesn’t utilize the resources of the piano that Chopin and others do: different shadings and colorings that require subtle pedaling changes and careful blending in runs and differing textures.

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                @RealPlayer said:

                As for the Chopin etudes, I find that most of the contemporary music I play doesn’t utilize the resources of the piano that Chopin and others do: different shadings and colorings that require subtle pedaling changes and careful blending in runs and differing textures.

                Ahh, so the Chopin is chosen to help you make a better selection? That's interesting!

                You should start a thread about your piano search, I would love to hear how it goes, what you're trying etc. 🙂

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                  @ShiroKuro The use of earlier popular music was pretty rare in the 1960s era of rock. When the Beatles did it, it was a novelty. It was also at the suggestion of their producer (I forget his name, Brian something) who had long been in the music business and was expert in many styles including classical.

                  As for the Chopin etudes, I find that most of the contemporary music I play doesn’t utilize the resources of the piano that Chopin and others do: different shadings and colorings that require subtle pedaling changes and careful blending in runs and differing textures.

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                    @RealPlayer said:

                    As for the Chopin etudes, I find that most of the contemporary music I play doesn’t utilize the resources of the piano that Chopin and others do: different shadings and colorings that require subtle pedaling changes and careful blending in runs and differing textures.

                    Ahh, so the Chopin is chosen to help you make a better selection? That's interesting!

                    You should start a thread about your piano search, I would love to hear how it goes, what you're trying etc. 🙂

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                    @ShiroKuro Not a bad idea to write about the piano search! It’s pretty sporadic at this point. I have an affinity for Mason & Hamlins, and I looked at two of them offered on FB Marketplace. But Steinways are everywhere (they built many more pianos) and I ought to look at those too.

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                      @ShiroKuro Not a bad idea to write about the piano search! It’s pretty sporadic at this point. I have an affinity for Mason & Hamlins, and I looked at two of them offered on FB Marketplace. But Steinways are everywhere (they built many more pianos) and I ought to look at those too.

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                      @RealPlayer what length are you hoping to purchase?

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                        @RealPlayer what length are you hoping to purchase?

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                        @ShiroKuro Between 6 and 7 feet. Like a Steinway A3 or Mason AA. I hear that longer key lengths (7 ft.) give more control, but I worry about the resulting loudness, as in my current 9 footer.

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