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    AndyD
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    And Germany posed no imminent threat to Britain, but we still declared war because it was the right thing to do. We could have sat on our hands rearming until our Pearl Harbour moment occurred.

    Interesting that you are so confident knowing Trump's mind that he is so totally influenced by Israel. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    It is surely naive to believe the Iranian regime is a peaceful one with no nuclear weapon ambition. Look how many types of missiles they have already amassed, look how they have fired them at all their neighbours, even at their supposed friend Yemen.
    Look how they located their nuclear research, not openly above ground, but in the deepest caverns out of sight and reach.

    An Iranian regime which terrorises its own people, kills them openly in thousands on the street when they protest at the imposed fanatical religious laws; a regime which publicly hangs homosexuals, a regime which stones to death women prisoners under the pretext of them having committed illicit relationships.

    I'll happily support anyone with the morals or means or will to help the people of Iran, who after all is said, wish for the democratic freedoms, human rights, education and opportunity we enjoy.
    The right to speak and protest and elect as you or I may.

    Ventosa viri restabit

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      Daniel
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      Oh, but we can't. The UK and US have made laws making criticizing the state of Israel a criminal offense. This is a direct, de facto violation of the US Constitution. It is no more right for the UK government to have done this in a free society. Now I ask-- were these aberrations resultant of the influence of the state of Israel? Or were they influenced by do-gooders who happened to be so taken by the welfare of Jews in free societies that taking away free speech in those societies became an Orwellian agenda? In addition, the United States Constitution includes the separation of church and state. Citizens in our countries are legally prohibited from expressing negative political opinions about a foreign state? What kind of madness is this?

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        Link to video

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          Daniel
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          I've said pretty much said what I wanted to say about it. It's an illegal war. It constitutes multiple crimes against humanity. It was ill advised. It's backfiring militarily. It isn't and never was in the interests of the US. It's wreaking havoc on the global economy. It's especially objectionable to me that US service members are being required to fight and die in it. That's all.

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            Oh, but we can't. The UK and US have made laws making criticizing the state of Israel a criminal offense. This is a direct, de facto violation of the US Constitution. It is no more right for the UK government to have done this in a free society. Now I ask-- were these aberrations resultant of the influence of the state of Israel? Or were they influenced by do-gooders who happened to be so taken by the welfare of Jews in free societies that taking away free speech in those societies became an Orwellian agenda? In addition, the United States Constitution includes the separation of church and state. Citizens in our countries are legally prohibited from expressing negative political opinions about a foreign state? What kind of madness is this?

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            @Daniel said:

            Oh, but we can't. The UK and US have made laws making criticizing the state of Israel a criminal offense.

            The US? What jurisdiction?

            As for the UK it wouldn’t shock me but the anecdotes I’ve heard to date are people getting in legal trouble for criticizing Islam and gender ideology.

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              It's federal so everywhere.

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                  jon-nyc
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                  I’m pretty sure that isn’t true. Can you find some link to the actual legislation?

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                    Daniel
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                    Okay.

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                      Daniel
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                      Please give me a day or two so I can find and cite the actual legislation.

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                        AndyD
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                        As I understand things in the UK, you are legally obliged not to support terrorist organisations such as Hamas, Hezbollah.
                        These have been investigated
                        by our government and judged to be and designated terrorist organisations because of their stated intention and their proven actions.
                        E.g. for Hamas: intention to kill all Israelis, action send 3000 men into Israel to kill 1200 infants children women men and take 300 hostage. Legally designated.
                        This does not mean you are not allowed to support the people of Gaza verbally or financially.

                        Ventosa viri restabit

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