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"Minnesota has had it."

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  • C Offline
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    CHAS
    wrote last edited by
    #29

    A recently retired couple, Tom and Art, moved here from Minneapolis since Xmas. They are upset.

    "If you're looking for sympathy, you'll find it between s**t and syphilis in the dictionary."-David Sedaris

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      Daniel
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      #30

      Many critical facts remain unknown? Not really.

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      • Piano*DadP Offline
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        Piano*Dad
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        #31

        They said that so that they could dance along the both-sides line for a while longer until the issue begins to fade.

        Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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        • wtgW Offline
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          wtg
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          #32

          Once again, not a case of a newbie agent at work. The guy who shot Pretti was CBP (I didn't know Minneapolis was on a border) agent with eight years experience.

          From a former head of CBP:

          He said last year that he does not think that DHS’ use of force policies are designed for protest or civil disturbance settings and does not believe that DHS agents have followed their own use of force standards.

          A federal judge eventually found DHS officials' "widespread misrepresentations call into question everything" they claimed to be happening to operations in the Chicago area.

          "The judges have listened to the declarations, they've listened to testimony, they've reviewed the videos, they've, judge after judge has come to this conclusion that these operations are clearly outside the normal practice of any law enforcement agency," Kerlikowske told the FOX 9 Investigators.

          Despite numerous judicial rulings, Bovino has continued to claim his agents' actions are "exemplary."

          He said the agent who repeatedly fired at a man on the ground Saturday morning has worked for Border Patrol for eight years and is well-trained.

          "The officer has extensive training as a range safety officer and (is) a less-lethal training officer," he said.

          https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/minneapolis-shooting-former-cbp-head-015952401.html

          If he's an experienced CBP agent and he's doing this in full view of witnesses recording his actions, I can only imagine what he does at an actual border when no one is looking.

          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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            wtg
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            #33

            A nearby resident who is a licensed pediatrician also submitted a sworn declaration, saying he observed much of the encounter from his apartment and went outside after hearing gunshots to try to render medical aid.

            "At first, ICE agents wouldn't let me through. They repeatedly asked for my physician's license, which I obviously didn't have," the doctor states. "But none of the ICE agents who were near the victim were performing CPR, and I could tell that the victim was in critical condition."

            The doctor said an agent eventually allowed him to assess the man, who was lying on his side and surrounded by federal officers.

            "I was confused as to why the victim was on his side, because that is not standard practice when a victim has been shot," the doctor states. "Checking for a pulse and administering CPR is standard practice. Instead of doing either of those things, the ICE agents appeared to be counting his bullet wounds."

            The doctor said he observed at least three gunshot wounds to the man’s back. After asking agents to turn him onto his back, he said he saw an additional gunshot wound to the upper left chest and another possible gunshot wound to the neck.

            The doctor said he did not detect a pulse and began CPR until emergency medical crews arrived and took over.

            https://www.aol.com/articles/witness-recounts-minnesota-shooting-doctor-084520407.html

            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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            • wtgW Offline
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              wtg
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              #34

              Overview of where things stand, including court filings by MN. And a statement from a woman who was standing five feet away.

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              From the doctor:

              After returning home and being distraught, the doctor left their home once “tear gas began seeping into [their] apartment.“ This is how their declaration ended:

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              https://www.lawdork.com/p/the-ice-killing-of-alex-pretti-the

              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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              • RontunerR Offline
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                Rontuner
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                #35

                Defund ICE?
                Abolish ICE?
                Deport ICE! Give them and all enablers the same amount of legal respect they have shown to those in the US.

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                • wtgW Offline
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                  wtg
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                  #36

                  The NRA dips its toe into the water.

                  https://x.com/NRA/status/2015227627464728661

                  When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                    A nearby resident who is a licensed pediatrician also submitted a sworn declaration, saying he observed much of the encounter from his apartment and went outside after hearing gunshots to try to render medical aid.

                    "At first, ICE agents wouldn't let me through. They repeatedly asked for my physician's license, which I obviously didn't have," the doctor states. "But none of the ICE agents who were near the victim were performing CPR, and I could tell that the victim was in critical condition."

                    The doctor said an agent eventually allowed him to assess the man, who was lying on his side and surrounded by federal officers.

                    "I was confused as to why the victim was on his side, because that is not standard practice when a victim has been shot," the doctor states. "Checking for a pulse and administering CPR is standard practice. Instead of doing either of those things, the ICE agents appeared to be counting his bullet wounds."

                    The doctor said he observed at least three gunshot wounds to the man’s back. After asking agents to turn him onto his back, he said he saw an additional gunshot wound to the upper left chest and another possible gunshot wound to the neck.

                    The doctor said he did not detect a pulse and began CPR until emergency medical crews arrived and took over.

                    https://www.aol.com/articles/witness-recounts-minnesota-shooting-doctor-084520407.html

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                    ShiroKuro
                    wrote last edited by
                    #37

                    It's especially heartbreaking to read the account from the pediatrician.

                    And this:
                    @wtg said in "Minnesota has had it.":

                    at least three gunshot wounds to the man’s back.

                    is infuriating.

                    from the commentary posted by @wtg in "Minnesota has had it.":

                    clearly outside the normal practice of any law enforcement agency

                    Yes. It ceased being legitimate law enforcement a long time ago.

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                      Piano*Dad
                      wrote last edited by Piano*Dad
                      #38

                      There is no statute of limitations on these kinds of killings. I would expect every thug to face justice at some point.

                      In fact, I will never vote for anyone who suggests that we let bygones be bygones in the name of restoring some false sense of normalcy.

                      Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                        wtg
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                        #39

                        Minneapolis is a Second Amendment wake-up call

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-is-a-second-amendment-wake-up-call/ar-AA1UUnS9

                        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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