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  • wtgW Offline
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    His hubris is approaching Hitleresque/Putinesque levels.

    President Donald Trump says the U.S. needs Greenland for national security, ostensibly to counter Russia and China. But Trump’s interest in the sparsely populated island appears to be as much about hemispheric dominance as homeland defense.

    According to two people familiar with private high-level discussions and granted anonymity to share their details, the White House has shown little interest in an overture last year from Denmark’s prime minister offering the U.S. the option to increase its military presence in Greenland, where it already operates a base and has long deployed troops at liberty.

    “The option of more U.S. military presence has been on the table,” said one of the people, a European defense official. “The White House is not interested.”

    The second person, an American in frequent contact with the administration and European officials, said that most of what Trump says he wants out of Greenland — access to investment resources like critical minerals, more troops and military bases, better intelligence sharing — could be easily accomplished by negotiating directly with Denmark, a steadfast ally.

    “The problem is that Trump has gotten into his head that the ‘Donroe Doctrine’ is his thing,” the second person said. “He’s now very focused on this. And it’s hard to come to an agreement with the Danes when Trump thinks he can just take it.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/06/trump-says-his-greenland-fixation-is-about-national-security-europeans-are-skeptical-00712149

    I'm thinking DJT presses for a swap. He threatens to stop support of Ukraine unless he gets Greenland. Of course he's already negotiated for access to Ukraine's vast resources, but the US would be facing off with Russia in order to access those. Just take Greenland and move on.

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      Daniel
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      Attack a steadfast NATO ally. Why not?

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        4 steps to getting Greenland.

        https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-greenland-easy-steps-nato-policy-deal-military/

        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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          jon-nyc
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          The mother of all ICE raids.

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            Yeah, I am under the impression that Greenland has lots of ice.

            On to branding:
            Rename "Greenland" to "Trumpland," create a new chapter for "The Trump Purchase" in the history books -- bigger than the Louisiana Purchase at 828,000 sq. miles, Greenland has 836,000 sq. miles.

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              They met today and agreed to disagree. A working group is being formed.

              https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/14/denmark-greenland-trump-white-house.html

              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                https://www.theatlantic.com/national-security/2026/01/denmark-army-greenland-arctic-trump/685612/

                This, a military defense, makes more sense to me than attempting diplomacy with this gang.

                I'm no expert on the art of diplomacy, but could it be that people known to be lightweight sycophants and pathological liars would have any actual desire, but especially any actual ability, to conduct diplomatic negotiations?

                My grandfather, who was a career NCO in the Air Force, and served in three wars starting with WWII, must be rolling in his grave. He was stationed in Greenland for a year during WWII.

                I'm glad my grandparents didn't have to witness this state of affairs, 9/11, and everything that has happened between then and now.

                My grandmother was a Democrat and a realist. she would have dealt with all of it better than my grandfather. Her life was divided between being a military wife, raising three children, and myself to an extent, due to exigent circumstances, moving her family around the world, and finally keeping a house and working a job in the private sector with a 20 year vesting.

                But my grandfather, in addition to his family responsibilities, devoted his life to the service of his country. He was patriotic to the core. I know he would have been stoic about all of it, but none of this would have made the least bit of sense to him, and I think it would have broken his heart.

                Full disclosure-- I couldn't and didn't read this entire article. $79.00 for a subscription to The Atlantic isn't something I can afford.

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                  https://www.theatlantic.com/national-security/2026/01/denmark-army-greenland-arctic-trump/685612/

                  This, a military defense, makes more sense to me than attempting diplomacy with this gang.

                  I'm no expert on the art of diplomacy, but could it be that people known to be lightweight sycophants and pathological liars would have any actual desire, but especially any actual ability, to conduct diplomatic negotiations?

                  My grandfather, who was a career NCO in the Air Force, and served in three wars starting with WWII, must be rolling in his grave. He was stationed in Greenland for a year during WWII.

                  I'm glad my grandparents didn't have to witness this state of affairs, 9/11, and everything that has happened between then and now.

                  My grandmother was a Democrat and a realist. she would have dealt with all of it better than my grandfather. Her life was divided between being a military wife, raising three children, and myself to an extent, due to exigent circumstances, moving her family around the world, and finally keeping a house and working a job in the private sector with a 20 year vesting.

                  But my grandfather, in addition to his family responsibilities, devoted his life to the service of his country. He was patriotic to the core. I know he would have been stoic about all of it, but none of this would have made the least bit of sense to him, and I think it would have broken his heart.

                  Full disclosure-- I couldn't and didn't read this entire article. $79.00 for a subscription to The Atlantic isn't something I can afford.

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                  said in So about Greenland:

                  https://www.theatlantic.com/national-security/2026/01/denmark-army-greenland-arctic-trump/685612/

                  This, a military defense, makes more sense to me than attempting diplomacy with this gang.

                  I'm no expert on the art of diplomacy, but could it be that people known to be lightweight sycophants and pathological liars would have any actual desire, but especially any actual ability, to conduct diplomatic negotiations?

                  My grandfather, who was a career NCO in the Air Force, and served in three wars starting with WWII, must be rolling in his grave. He was stationed in Greenland for a year during WWII.

                  I'm glad my grandparents didn't have to witness this state of affairs, 9/11, and everything that has happened between them and now.

                  My grandmother was a Democrat and a realist. she would have dealt with all of it better than my grandfather. Her life was divided between being a military wife, raising three children, and myself to an extent, due to exigent circumstances, moving her family around the world, and finally keeping a house and working a job in the private sector with a 20 year vesting.

                  But my grandfather, in addition to his family responsibilities, devoted his life to the service of his country. He was patriotic to the core. I know he would have been stoic about all of it, but none of this would have made the least bit of sense to him, and I think it would have broken his heart.

                  Full disclosure-- I couldn't and didn't read this entire article. $80 for a subscription to The Atlantic isn't something I can afford.

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                    Here's a non-paywall version of the article:

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/denmark-s-army-chief-says-he-s-ready-to-defend-greenland/ar-AA1Udrfo

                    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                      I like how you do that. I'll read it now!

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                        wtg
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                        I just do a search for the title of the article. Sometimes I get lucky and there's a non-paywall version on MSN or Yahoo.

                        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                          How a billionaire with interests in Greenland encouraged Trump to acquire the territory

                          US president’s friend Ronald Lauder – who first proposed Arctic expansion – is now making deals in the island

                          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/15/ronald-lauder-billionaire-donor-donald-trump-ukraine-greenland

                          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                            Here's a non-paywall version of the article:

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/denmark-s-army-chief-says-he-s-ready-to-defend-greenland/ar-AA1Udrfo

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                            @wtg said in So about Greenland:

                            Here's a non-paywall version of the article:

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/denmark-s-army-chief-says-he-s-ready-to-defend-greenland/ar-AA1Udrfo

                            He demurred at the end, but NATO exists as of now.

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                              A brief history of the US military in Greenland, most of which I was unaware of.

                              https://theconversation.com/us-military-has-a-long-history-in-greenland-from-mining-during-wwii-to-a-nuclear-powered-army-base-built-into-the-ice-273355

                              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                BBC following the threat of tariffs on those countries that oppose the orange man's Greenland takeover.

                                https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c1j8kw866p3t

                                When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/17/republicans-trump-greenland

                                  Emphasis mine:

                                  Nebraska congressman Don Bacon told the Omaha World-Herald: “If he went through with the threats, I think it would be the end of his presidency. And he needs to know: the off-ramp is realizing Republicans aren’t going to tolerate this and he’s going to have to back off. He hates being told no, but in this case, I think Republicans need to be firm.”

                                  Well, that would be more than nice.

                                  The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                                    How a billionaire with interests in Greenland encouraged Trump to acquire the territory

                                    US president’s friend Ronald Lauder – who first proposed Arctic expansion – is now making deals in the island

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/15/ronald-lauder-billionaire-donor-donald-trump-ukraine-greenland

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                                    @wtg

                                    Ha! Here it is.

                                    I was wondering who stood to make money if Trump invades Greenland.

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                                      @wtg

                                      Ha! Here it is.

                                      I was wondering who stood to make money if Trump invades Greenland.

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                                      @Steve-Miller It seems to be a case of follow the money, doesn't it?

                                      I heard one this morning....I hadn't realized that Don Jr is an informal advisor to Polymarket. Remember that big bet someone put on hours before Maduro was captured that made someone $400K? Gotta wonder if Little Donny walked away with some bucks from that one....

                                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                        Seen during protest in Greenland:

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                                        And from the Guardian:

                                        A third voting bloc in the European Parliament has said they will halt the ratification of the EU-US trade deal next week, signalling the biggest material confrontation between the two sides since Donald Trump came to power.

                                        The centre-right and largest group, the European People’s Party, and the second-biggest bloc of MEPs in the Socialists & Democrats group have already said they will pull the plug on the parliamentary legal process on Wednesday.

                                        Now, the liberal Renew group has said it will join them.

                                        In a statement, Valerie Heyer, the French MEP and head of the group, said:

                                        The threats by President Donald Trump to impose increased customs duties on states refusing to agree with his plan to annex Greenland are unacceptable.

                                        These announcements follow many other aggressive actions towards the EU. Therefore, it is now time to move from reliance to deterrence.

                                        Consequently, Renew Europe cannot vote the EU-US Turnberry trade deal.

                                        Furthermore, the EU should be prepared to deploy targeted and proportionate countermeasures. The activation of the EU Anti-Coercion Instrument should be explicitly considered, as it was designed precisely for situations of economic intimidation of this nature.

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                                        https://apnews.com/photo-gallery/photos-protest-greenland-trump-takeover-threats-nuuk-de1eedfae1d5b36a30adaaebb74e3966

                                        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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