Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?
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I looked at the ingredients list on the bag and as UPF foods go it鈥檚 not the worst but the stuffing I used to make is much cleaner. I start by making cornbread and proceed from there.
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By the way, I really wish we could retire the phrase 'processed food' and come up with new description(s) of the foods in the category based on the mechanism or degree of harm. 'Processed' is just too neutral and generic (you know those strawberries you're eating? They've been through the picking, washing, and packaging process - really!).
But less flip, it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust, yet both are, indeed, processed foods. We need to make a better distinction. ('Ultra' helps, but only so much. It suffers from the same imprecision and lack of any biological reference).
I realize I'm yelling into a void.
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It's an Aldi product.
https://www.realsimple.com/aldi-boxed-stuffing-11840611
They must have overstocked last year, because I bought a bunch of boxes for $0.69 each sometime after the holidays. We get the herb and the lemon/thyme varieties, but skip the garlic/rosemary because we aren't big fans of garlic.
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aum么nier
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By the way, I really wish we could retire the phrase 'processed food' and come up with new description(s) of the foods in the category based on the mechanism or degree of harm. 'Processed' is just too neutral and generic (you know those strawberries you're eating? They've been through the picking, washing, and packaging process - really!).
But less flip, it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust, yet both are, indeed, processed foods. We need to make a better distinction. ('Ultra' helps, but only so much. It suffers from the same imprecision and lack of any biological reference).
I realize I'm yelling into a void.
@jon-nyc said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
But less flip, it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust, yet both are, indeed, processed foods. We need to make a better distinction. ('Ultra' helps, but only so much. It suffers from the same imprecision and lack of any biological reference).
I realize I'm yelling into a void.
Maybe not.
@steve-miller recommended the book Ultra-Processed People by Chris von Tulleken in a thread we had a while back about breakfast cereals. It's pretty interesting.
it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust
The "organic whole wheat" label is marketing. Until you look at the ingredients, you don't really know how processed that organic whole wheat bread is. I'm a fan of homemade sourdough myself.
Dr Chris' easy UPF swaps, though I suspect @jon-nyc doesn't really need the suggestions as he already eats pretty healthy food...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/chris_van_tulleken_ultra_processed_food_swaps
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It's an Aldi product.
https://www.realsimple.com/aldi-boxed-stuffing-11840611
They must have overstocked last year, because I bought a bunch of boxes for $0.69 each sometime after the holidays. We get the herb and the lemon/thyme varieties, but skip the garlic/rosemary because we aren't big fans of garlic.
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@jon-nyc said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
But less flip, it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust, yet both are, indeed, processed foods. We need to make a better distinction. ('Ultra' helps, but only so much. It suffers from the same imprecision and lack of any biological reference).
I realize I'm yelling into a void.
Maybe not.
@steve-miller recommended the book Ultra-Processed People by Chris von Tulleken in a thread we had a while back about breakfast cereals. It's pretty interesting.
it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust
The "organic whole wheat" label is marketing. Until you look at the ingredients, you don't really know how processed that organic whole wheat bread is. I'm a fan of homemade sourdough myself.
Dr Chris' easy UPF swaps, though I suspect @jon-nyc doesn't really need the suggestions as he already eats pretty healthy food...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/chris_van_tulleken_ultra_processed_food_swaps
@wtg said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
The "organic whole wheat" label is marketing. Until you look at the ingredients, you don't really know how processed that organic whole wheat bread is.
The stuff I buy is made by spirit millennials who go barefoot and eat their deodorant.
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@jon-nyc said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
But less flip, it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust, yet both are, indeed, processed foods. We need to make a better distinction. ('Ultra' helps, but only so much. It suffers from the same imprecision and lack of any biological reference).
I realize I'm yelling into a void.
Maybe not.
@steve-miller recommended the book Ultra-Processed People by Chris von Tulleken in a thread we had a while back about breakfast cereals. It's pretty interesting.
it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust
The "organic whole wheat" label is marketing. Until you look at the ingredients, you don't really know how processed that organic whole wheat bread is. I'm a fan of homemade sourdough myself.
Dr Chris' easy UPF swaps, though I suspect @jon-nyc doesn't really need the suggestions as he already eats pretty healthy food...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/chris_van_tulleken_ultra_processed_food_swaps
@wtg said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
The "organic whole wheat" label is marketing. Until you look at the ingredients, you don't really know how processed that organic whole wheat bread is.
Seriously though, this sentence is borderline unintelligible. I mean, not really because people understand that one means 'processed in a bad way, not a neutral or good way, but that just makes my point.
Flour is always processed. (ever seen wheat? it looks totally different than flour) Salt, same. When they mine it, it isn't in granules. Sugar? Looks very different in the bag than in the cane.
My decaf coffee is 'more processed' than regular. Does that mean it's worse for me? I don't think so.
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Had a multi-national Thanksgiving celebration hosted by our daughter, her husband and friends from a beach community in the Dominican Republic. Maybe 25 people up in a house in the hills overlooking the ocean. A little yoga, some guitar music, some pool time, some sun, a little rain and a mix of local foods prepared by a chef. Delightful time meeting their beach family!
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@wtg said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
The "organic whole wheat" label is marketing. Until you look at the ingredients, you don't really know how processed that organic whole wheat bread is.
Seriously though, this sentence is borderline unintelligible. I mean, not really because people understand that one means 'processed in a bad way, not a neutral or good way, but that just makes my point.
Flour is always processed. (ever seen wheat? it looks totally different than flour) Salt, same. When they mine it, it isn't in granules. Sugar? Looks very different in the bag than in the cane.
My decaf coffee is 'more processed' than regular. Does that mean it's worse for me? I don't think so.
I get what you are saying, but I'm not coming from the common definition of "processed". If you look at the NOVA food classification system and/or look into Tulleken's work, my observation about organic whole wheat bread might make more sense to you.
While NOVA isn't perfect, it's a starting point to discuss the concepts on a scientific level. I'm interested in the evolving research into what goes into our food and how it affects us. Honing the word choice, while not a bad thing to do to make it more understandable to and usable by the general public, not so much.
