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It’s a Lovely Day For a Coup

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    pique
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    I'm happy to see a pep talk from Bernie, but really, what can we do besides "call your representatives" ? He isn't offering any real short term or long term strategy in any kind of specifics.

    When do we call a general strike? When do we take to the streets? Where is the tipping point?

    fear is the thief of dreams

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      I'm happy to see a pep talk from Bernie, but really, what can we do besides "call your representatives" ? He isn't offering any real short term or long term strategy in any kind of specifics.

      When do we call a general strike? When do we take to the streets? Where is the tipping point?

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      ShiroKuro
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      Thanks for that @Steve-Miller

      So, I called the switchboard number Bernie gave. It maybe is overloaded, because I couldn't get through. And while we're on the subject, what should we be saying when we contact reps? Here's what I have so far:

      Stop the rampant violations of the constitution and federal law.
      Stop Musk from becoming the de facto leader of this country

      Don't pass the budget reconciliation bill - it's nothing more than a tax break for the wealthy and will not help our economy, will not help working Americans.

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        wtg
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        I would also be specific about ways the constitution and federal law are being violated. I think it's important that they understand that people are paying attention to details.

        While Congress doesn't control the tariffs directly, I would also express my concerns about the negative impacts they will have on prices. The Republicans ran on the platform of reducing prices. The opposite is going to happen, and if they make the problem worse people will react in the voting booth next cycle.

        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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          ShiroKuro
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          Thanks! That’s helpful!

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            wtg
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            #19

            Trying to reduce costs and reorganize portions of the federal government is not a bad thing; there are efficiencies to be found but it has to be done methodically. I also think that the targeting and purging of federal employees because they worked on Jan 6 is a travesty and congresscritters should know that voters are not okay with that.

            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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              CHAS
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              They don't care what the laws say. The DOJ will do nothing. Who is going to arrest Musk and co. for what they are doing to the payment systems?
              Vigilantes?
              I don't see Bernie leading a charge.
              I don't think legal means are going to fix the situation.

              “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                And now Musk has gained access to the Treasury payment system.

                https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/elon-musks-task-force-has-gained-access-to-sensitive-treasury-payment-systems-sources-say

                When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                  wtg
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                  Gosh, I'm so glad POTUS is on the same page as the unelected billionaire running around dismantling our government.

                  Staffers of the U.S. Agency for International Development were instructed to stay out of the agency’s Washington headquarters on Monday, according to a notice distributed to them, after billionaire Elon Musk announced President Donald Trump had agreed with him to shut the agency.

                  USAID staffers said they also tracked more than 600 employees who reported being locked out of the agency’s computer systems overnight. Those still in the system received emails saying that “at the direction of Agency leadership” the headquarters building “will be closed to Agency personnel on Monday, Feb. 3.”

                  The developments come after Musk, who’s leading an extraordinary civilian review of the federal government with the Republican president’s agreement, said early Monday that he had spoken with Trump about the six-decade U.S. aid and development agency and “he agreed we should shut it down.”

                  https://apnews.com/article/trump-musk-usaid-c0c7799be0b2fa7cad4c806565985fe2

                  When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                    CHAS
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                    Musk is not a cabinet member. Doge is not a government agency. The legislature creates and funds government agencies, not the imagination of a president and his benefactor. Musk has no more standing to take those actions than you do.

                    “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                      Musk is not a cabinet member. Doge is not a government agency. The legislature creates and funds government agencies, not the imagination of a president and his benefactor. Musk has no more standing to take those actions than you do.

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                      ShiroKuro
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                      @CHAS said in It’s a Lovely Day For a Coup:

                      Musk is not a cabinet member. Doge is not a government agency. The legislature creates and funds government agencies, not the imagination of a president and his benefactor. Musk has no more standing to take those actions than you do.

                      Exactly!! We need to be repeating this over and over again.

                      In fact, I'm going to borrow your words, if you don't mind!

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                        After reading this thread, I wrote short notes to both of my US Senators and my US Representative urging them to do whatever they could to stop this usurpation of authority. Then I made a cash donation to Public Citizen.

                        Every day seems to bring a fresh outrage.

                        Big Al

                        Money seems to buy the most happiness when you give it away.

                        Why does everything have to be so complicated, all in the name of convenience. -ShiroKuro

                        A lifetime of experience will change a person. If it doesn't, then you're already dead inside. -MarkJ

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                          Steve Miller
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                          And today we have… the Sovereign Wealth Fund!

                          https://www.axios.com/2025/02/03/what-to-know-trump-sovereign-wealth-fund

                          Should require congressional approval so may not happen.

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                            pique
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                            Please do more than send an email. Go down to their local offices in person. Or call on the phone and question whoever answers about what your representative is doing and is going to do to address your concerns. Emails just get deleted. Phone calls and the issues they are about get tallied.

                            fear is the thief of dreams

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                              wtg
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                              Of course it's a coup

                              https://snyder.substack.com/p/of-course-its-a-coup

                              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                @CHAS said in It’s a Lovely Day For a Coup:

                                Musk is not a cabinet member. Doge is not a government agency. The legislature creates and funds government agencies, not the imagination of a president and his benefactor. Musk has no more standing to take those actions than you do.

                                Exactly!! We need to be repeating this over and over again.

                                In fact, I'm going to borrow your words, if you don't mind!

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                                CHAS
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                                #29

                                @ShiroKuro Use the words however you want.

                                “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                                  Rontuner
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                                  Don't you think Musk & company left hidden "back doors" in the software - allowing them to access and change anything they want in the future???

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                                    Don't you think Musk & company left hidden "back doors" in the software - allowing them to access and change anything they want in the future???

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                                    wtg
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                                    #31

                                    @Rontuner I think you're right on the money.

                                    Musk is a bigger risk than Trump because he is a technology guy and now has untethered access to systems and data and can do anything he damn well pleases. He could wreak havoc and no one will be able to stop him. He's crazy enough to do it.

                                    I can't believe that the bean-brained Republicans can't see that. And I'm sure Trump has no clue what he's setting the country up for.

                                    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                      ShiroKuro
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                                      All that that exactly, @wtg . Musk is absolutely the bigger risk, Trump has no idea. And all the Repubs who are letting this happen are making a serious miscalculation.

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                                        CHAS
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                                        If they can hack USAID, they may have hacked the voting machines.

                                        “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                                          pique
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                                          Things just get crazier and crazier. I read a great substack yesterday (sorry I didn't save the link) that talks about what leverage we have in this situation, and the author explained that there are four prongs of attack: Congress, Courts, Politics, and Public. (I am paraphrasing, not quoting):

                                          1. Congress cannot do anything except put out the narrative. And that is important. They can tell the story of what is happening, and how it will impact us, and express outrage in a coherent way that creates a record that will be useful in the midterms. Because the Ds are in the minority, there is nothing substantive they can do. But we do need them speechifying about this.

                                          2. Courts: even if Trump and Musk--let's call them Mump, shall we?--ignore court orders (which, face it, they probably will), it's still important to bring the lawsuits and have the judges issue the orders.

                                          3. Politics--can't remember how this one manifests

                                          4. Public--it's essential that everyone makes as big a stink about this as possible. Calling representatives, spreading info on social media, joining in-person protests. Standing up and being seen and heard--especially if these policies will affect you personally--but also if they won't, because the people who are at risk need the rest of us to raise our voices for them.

                                          fear is the thief of dreams

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