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    Daniel
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    Link to video

    Victor David Hanson, California's Catastrophe

    He explains the man made factors I suspected existed. This is worth all eight minutes, imho.

    Living through the first Lahaina fire is something I won't forget. The house was filled with thick smoke. You could see it as it blew back and forth and through the rooms. Lahaina Town was blocked off from the outside world by the federal and state governments. There came a time when there was no escape.

    This happened during the second Lahaina fire as well. In fact, during the second one, the police turned many vehicles around who could have escaped. Some of these vehicles included entire families. People eventually had to escape into the ocean. I assume some of these people lived and some died.

    The most horrific aspect of it to me was listening to the sounds of explosions. Every one of these sounds was a gasoline powered vehicle exploding filled with people trying to escape.

    The causes of and responses to both Lahaina fires proved much too complex to write off either one as "a natural disaster."

    There was no water to fight the fires because it had corruptly been diverted to the resorts. The utility company didn't maintain the electric polls the way they were supposed to and they came crashing down in the wind onto grounds that hadn't been maintained.

    The macabre fact of the authorities preventing people from escaping is something I will never understand.

    I lived through one major earthquake in the eighteen years I lived in Hawaii. The first Lahaina fire was worse. The second one was an apocalypse beyond imagination.

    I'm sure my limited personal experience pales in comparison to what is happening in real time in Los Angeles. I wish there was something I could say or do to make the nightmare end.

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      Link to video

      Victor David Hanson, California's Catastrophe

      He explains the man made factors I suspected existed. This is worth all eight minutes, imho.

      Living through the first Lahaina fire is something I won't forget. The house was filled with thick smoke. You could see it as it blew back and forth and through the rooms. Lahaina Town was blocked off from the outside world by the federal and state governments. There came a time when there was no escape.

      This happened during the second Lahaina fire as well. In fact, during the second one, the police turned many vehicles around who could have escaped. Some of these vehicles included entire families. People eventually had to escape into the ocean. I assume some of these people lived and some died.

      The most horrific aspect of it to me was listening to the sounds of explosions. Every one of these sounds was a gasoline powered vehicle exploding filled with people trying to escape.

      The causes of and responses to both Lahaina fires proved much too complex to write off either one as "a natural disaster."

      There was no water to fight the fires because it had corruptly been diverted to the resorts. The utility company didn't maintain the electric polls the way they were supposed to and they came crashing down in the wind onto grounds that hadn't been maintained.

      The macabre fact of the authorities preventing people from escaping is something I will never understand.

      I lived through one major earthquake in the eighteen years I lived in Hawaii. The first Lahaina fire was worse. The second one was an apocalypse beyond imagination.

      I'm sure my limited personal experience pales in comparison to what is happening in real time in Los Angeles. I wish there was something I could say or do to make the nightmare end.

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      Big_Al
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      @Daniel
      Victor Davis Hanson is a tool of the military-industrial complex that President Dwight Eisenhower warned us about.

      Big Al

      Money seems to buy the most happiness when you give it away.

      Why does everything have to be so complicated, all in the name of convenience. -ShiroKuro

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        Steve Miller
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        VDH is an idiot.

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          Daniel
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          Big Al, thank you for the information. I'll bet, though, some of what he says about this topic is correct.

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            Steve Miller
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            The Palisades Fire has turned toward Brentwood and Encino. If the wind kicks up again, and that’s the forecast, a whole lot more very expensive real estate is about to disappear. The best anyone can hope for is that they can get the people and the animals out. They’ve been doing an excellent job of this so far - the death toll has been remarkably low for an event of this magnitude.

            Pique wrote an excellent article outlining this fact. I remember reading it on the old Piano Board. No matter what anyone does, one small fire when winds are hitting 80-100 MPH is going to spread too quickly for much of anything to be done about it. The fires will slow down when the wind stops, and not go out completely until it rains.

            Good people of Brentwood and Encino, pack up now. Get your animals out; get out of your houses now so you don’t clog up the roads.

            There will be time enough to cast blame later.

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              ShiroKuro
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              Wow. This is so scary. I feel awful for everyone in its path!

              Is the scope of this fire bigger than previous fires? Or is it hitting more populated areas than past fires?

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                Wow. This is so scary. I feel awful for everyone in its path!

                Is the scope of this fire bigger than previous fires? Or is it hitting more populated areas than past fires?

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                Steve Miller
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                @ShiroKuro

                As fires go, these aren’t particularly large - yet. In 2008 the Freeway Complex fire took out a much larger area. My town lost 100 houses in that one.

                What makes these stand out, the Pallisades fire in particular, is that they’re burning in areas with a lot of expensive houses and famous people living in them. The winds are also particularly fierce - a Santa Ana wind of 60 MPH is fairly routine but I’ve never heard of them hitting 100 MPH as they are now.

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                  ShiroKuro
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                  @Steve-Miller thanks for that explanation!

                  So the winds are particularly scary then! Truly awful.

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                    Bernard
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                    Sickening. DEI is just another tool the right uses to mask their hate.

                    CA DEI is to blame

                    But the article states, "... Elon Musk, one of the brightest minds of his generation..."

                    What? Says who?

                    Here is a great response from a vlogger, Naughty Nana DUZ, in Canada...

                    Link to video

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                      Daniel
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                      I saw a death toll of 16 given but didn't catch the name of the media outlet. I'd be willing to bet this number is very far from accurate.

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                        Daniel
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                        View from news helicopter after smoke cleared--

                        Link to video

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                          Daniel
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                          I've been a fan of Jesús Enrique Rosas for a long time. He has a single 'brand" now but his videos about the British royal family used to be a separate YouTube channel.

                          Link to video

                          I'm not invested in the concept of "DEI" and, in fact, "DEI" came into place at a time when I was paying no attention whatsoever. I didn't learn about it until well after it was established as, "something."

                          So, I'm not saying anything about it.

                          I'm only saying as a discrete observation I agree this lady is a sociopath.

                          She's talking about almost unimaginable tragedy and she's grinning without stop.

                          Yikes.

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                            CHAS
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                            That is a good video. I feel as though I know that woman.

                            “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                              Steve Miller
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                              She hasn’t been a great mayor but she had nothing to do with the intensity of the fires.

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