The Manifesto
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Smerconish’s opening commentary this morning.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/14/us/video/smr-commentary-on-tragic-deaths-after-ceo-death
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I think he's a patsy. This isn't the same person.
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The ballistics say the bullets match the gun that he had on him was captured.
They got the right guy.
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The photographs don't match .
Also, the ballistics evidence must be proven in court.
In fact, if and when he's prosecuted, the prosecution's entire case must be proven in court.
Also, if he were a patsy, it doesn't mean he wasn't
involved.But, I return to the photographs. They're just not the same person.
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The driver’s license that Mangione had on him at the time he was arrested is the same one that was used at the hostel to check in when the clerk asked him to pull down the mask. Apparently she thought the photo on the DL looked like the guy standing in front of her.
Mangione will have his day in court. Of course all physical evidence (photos, DNA, knapsack found in Central Park, fingerprints, writings) will have to be presented in court and experts will opine. Witnesses will testify. I’m sure the hostel clerk will be one of them, probably along with any number of others with whom he interacted along the way. A jury will consider the totality of the information and render a verdict.
Will be interesting to see what strategy his attorneys take to defend him.
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He had multiple fake ID's. I don't think the fact he used one to check into the hostel is surprising. It is surprising one of the photographs given by authorities is not him. Just look at it.
@Daniel said in The Manifesto:
He had multiple fake ID's. I don't think the fact he used one to check into the hostel is surprising.
That he used a fake ID is of course not surprising. That the guy who was arrested in PA had the ID that was actually used to check into the hostel in NY is significant to me. Add to that a clerk seeing both him and the ID at the same time. I find it hard to believe there are two people involved here.
one of the photographs given by authorities is not him. Just look at it.
Sorry, I'm not seeing what you're seeing; what's "obvious" to one person often isn't seen by someone else. It really is a judgment call. To me the photos are grainy but I see the same person in them.
Photos depend on a lot of things - lighting, angle, camera/video equipment. My experience tells me that people can look different from one photo to another and still be the same person. In this particular case I did an image search for Luigi Mangione and looked at all the photos of him that are out there (not just the ones released by police, but a ton of others that pre-date this event), and I see a lot of variation but still have the sense that it's the same person. You may see those photos differently.
Also, I'm taking the macroscopic view of what's been discovered so far rather than hyperfocusing on one aspect. Of course that's in part because I'm not seeing the differences you seem to be. Forensic evidence like the gun, shell casings, backpack, discarded phone, fingerprints, DNA, the manifesto - those are quite significant, in my mind. And eyewitness evidence like the clerk at the hostel, who I assume will testify and identify him as the person she checked in.
And I guess the question boils down to - what if you're right and the photos aren't the same? What do you think that means to his case?
TBH, I doubt Mangione's defense attorney will spend any time trying to discredit the photos. She has an uphill battle with everything else. Some criminal defense attorneys talk about that here:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/14/luigi-mangione-murder-trial-lawyer
HIs NY defense attorney was on CNN a couple of days before it was announced that she was taking his case, and in that interview, she said much the same that the Guardian article says, including the part about a psych defense.
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So, if I could find you proof authorities released footage of him using the petals of a bicycle and not wearing a backpack, given authorities said he got away on an electric bicycle and wearing a backpack, would this make you question the official narrative?
It seems you think the outcome of the trial in this case is a foregone conclusion (and you might be correct) and there's nothing questionable about anything the media is telling us.
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So, if I could find you proof authorities released footage of him using the petals of a bicycle and not wearing a backpack, given authorities said he got away on an electric bicycle and wearing a backpack, would this make you question the official narrative?
It seems you think the outcome of the trial in this case is a foregone conclusion (and you might be correct) and there's nothing questionable about anything the media is telling us.
@Daniel said in The Manifesto:
It seems you think the outcome of the trial in this case is a foregone conclusion (and you might be correct) and there's nothing questionable about anything the media is telling us.
I'd say we have each come to our own conclusions based on what we've read and seen from our sources.
Given what I've seen so far, I do think there is a significant amount of evidence that indicates he is the guy, but no, not a foregone conclusion. The jury will decide his fate after they have considered all the evidence presented at trial.
As for the second part, I look at multiple sources and question information all the time.
I have to say that I think it's unlikely that we will find common ground upon which to have a meaningful or productive discussion on this, so I will politely take my leave from it now.
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier
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NYPD releases conflicting photographs of the suspect.
Link to videoDifferent bone structure (I'm sorry but this is clear), similar but different jacket.
One is a photograph of Luigi Mangione. One isn't.
My conclusion is Luigi Mangione is a patsy. The two could be accomplices. I doubt it.
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Luigi was the guy found with the weapon, the manifesto and is present in at least one picture.
If the other pictures aren’t right it doesn’t matter.
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@Daniel said in The Manifesto:
It seems you think the outcome of the trial in this case is a foregone conclusion (and you might be correct) and there's nothing questionable about anything the media is telling us.
I'd say we have each come to our own conclusions based on what we've read and seen from our sources.
Given what I've seen so far, I do think there is a significant amount of evidence that indicates he is the guy, but no, not a foregone conclusion. The jury will decide his fate after they have considered all the evidence presented at trial.
As for the second part, I look at multiple sources and question information all the time.
I have to say that I think it's unlikely that we will find common ground upon which to have a meaningful or productive discussion on this, so I will politely take my leave from it now.
@wtg said in The Manifesto:
@Daniel said in The Manifesto:
It seems you think the outcome of the trial in this case is a foregone conclusion (and you might be correct) and there's nothing questionable about anything the media is telling us.
I'd say we have each come to our own conclusions based on what we've read and seen from our sources.
Given what I've seen so far, I do think there is a significant amount of evidence that indicates he is the guy, but no, not a foregone conclusion. The jury will decide his fate after they have considered all the evidence presented at trial.
As for the second part, I look at multiple sources and question information all the time.
I have to say that I think it's unlikely that we will find common ground upon which to have a meaningful or productive discussion on this, so I will politely take my leave from it now.
You are wise, and overly polite ...
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Stop it, Daniel.
Just stop it.
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Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?
It's not my fault the NYPD released conflicting evidence.
Steve, we've posted at these fora for the better part of two decades.
I don't know what to tell you if me speaking my mind makes you discontent.
