Allahu Akbarriers
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Bernard, remember who you’re speaking to. I have a pretty solid track record criticizing Christianity and Judaism. I can’t really be whattabouted in this.
But the numbers are what they are. If we had to protect public spaces from mostly Christian fundamentalists instead of Muslim jihaddists I would be straightforwardly and openly critical about it.
And I suspect I’d find more people here in agreement with me as I did.
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Bernard, remember who you’re speaking to. I have a pretty solid track record criticizing Christianity and Judaism. I can’t really be whattabouted in this.
But the numbers are what they are. If we had to protect public spaces from mostly Christian fundamentalists instead of Muslim jihaddists I would be straightforwardly and openly critical about it.
And I suspect I’d find more people here in agreement with me as I did.
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I said Muslim (adjective) jihadists (noun). The latter being a descriptive term for the subset of Muslims who carry these beliefs. And yes I know that some people define ‘jihhad’ differently. But I assume in context you knew I wasn’t describing people who are merely dealing with an internal struggle with their faith. That group won’t be indiscriminately killing civilians while in religious ecstasy.
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I said Muslim (adjective) jihadists (noun). The latter being a descriptive term for the subset of Muslims who carry these beliefs. And yes I know that some people define ‘jihhad’ differently. But I assume in context you knew I wasn’t describing people who are merely dealing with an internal struggle with their faith. That group won’t be indiscriminately killing civilians while in religious ecstasy.
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Are they just for a Christmas market? I thought they just closed Oxford street to vehicle traffic ("pedestrianisation") and those barriers are to keep any traffic out.
I was going to post the Guardian article and see if @andyd had any opinions on the closure...
I was going to post the Guardian article and see if @andyd had any opinions on the closure...
We were on Oxford Street two days after this started (Thursday 29th).
We were outside New Bond Street tube, as I wanted some joya shoes, then we headed south to Picadilly.We laughed because the small barriers looked half-cocked to us; but they were for pedestrians and no doubt the street will eventually be levelled with the pavement, and filled with seats, shrubs & trees.
It badly needed doing, the footpaths by themselves are wholly inadequate for the flood of pedestrians you have to 'swim' through.
You used to feel the nearness of large busses and speedy taxis.
Immediately safer and less chance for pickpockets.Even the initial blocking of traffic lengthways works wonders.
Traffic still crosses over Oxford Street in 6 places.
But a definite
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I was going to post the Guardian article and see if @andyd had any opinions on the closure...
We were on Oxford Street two days after this started (Thursday 29th).
We were outside New Bond Street tube, as I wanted some joya shoes, then we headed south to Picadilly.We laughed because the small barriers looked half-cocked to us; but they were for pedestrians and no doubt the street will eventually be levelled with the pavement, and filled with seats, shrubs & trees.
It badly needed doing, the footpaths by themselves are wholly inadequate for the flood of pedestrians you have to 'swim' through.
You used to feel the nearness of large busses and speedy taxis.
Immediately safer and less chance for pickpockets.Even the initial blocking of traffic lengthways works wonders.
Traffic still crosses over Oxford Street in 6 places.
But a definiteno doubt the street will eventually be levelled with the pavement, and filled with seats, shrubs & trees.
That's what they did in the town where @kluurs lives; I grew up in a nearby town. Of course that happened back in the Stone Age when I was but a teenager. They closed off the street and re-landscaped to include trees, benches, etc., in an effort to make it welcoming. And to create barriers so people who had been accustomed to turning onto Lake Street from Harlem Avenue (super busy intersection) didn't do that once vehicle traffic was prohibited.
Some years later, they took it all out and opened it back up to traffic.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/1988/11/20/oak-park-ends-mall-days/
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It will be interesting to see how the Oxford Street initiative works out. Any number of cities, including Chicago, have tried various flavors of shutting down a major thoroughfare to vehicle traffic. They've met with varying degrees of success.
https://chi.streetsblog.org/2013/03/11/why-was-the-state-street-pedestrian-mall-a-failure
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