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Two different versions of Clair de Lune

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  • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

    @AndyD said:

    Almost in tears watching the old man show how it ought to be played. I am going to have to learn it.

    this was basically my response! I have known this piece since forever, and sort of generally liked it.

    But hearing Victor Borge's version, I immediately wanted to learn it and play it myself. (My teacher tells me it's within my level, so I may start working on it when the fall semetser starts...)

    @bernard you may be right about the "orchestral" style.

    So, do you have a favorite version of CdL?

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    Bernard
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    #9

    @ShiroKuro said:

    So, do you have a favorite version of CdL?

    I like both of these versions. I feel that a lot of performances, including from world class pianists, are self-indulgent, sometimes to the point of distortion.

    Debussy playing his own music is from a music roll and there is probably a bit of nuance lost, but I still think it's an incredible performance.

    Link to video

    Link to video

    The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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      kluurs
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      #10

      The alleged piano roll recording labeled as being performed by Claude Debussy is not a piano roll recording of Debussy. There are a couple of versions out there pretending to be his performance but are just click bait.

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      • K kluurs

        The alleged piano roll recording labeled as being performed by Claude Debussy is not a piano roll recording of Debussy. There are a couple of versions out there pretending to be his performance but are just click bait.

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        Bernard
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        #11

        @kluurs That really sucks. I still like the recording, though.

        The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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          Bernard
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          #12

          It's a recording of Suzanne Godenne (1892-1919)

          The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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          • B Bernard

            @ShiroKuro said:

            So, do you have a favorite version of CdL?

            I like both of these versions. I feel that a lot of performances, including from world class pianists, are self-indulgent, sometimes to the point of distortion.

            Debussy playing his own music is from a music roll and there is probably a bit of nuance lost, but I still think it's an incredible performance.

            Link to video

            Link to video

            ShiroKuroS
            ShiroKuroS
            ShiroKuro
            wrote on last edited by
            #13

            @Bernard ooh thanks for posting those! I didn't really like the first one, but I really like the Pascal Roge's playing!

            It's fun to listen all these different versions, esp. because usually that's not something I do (since I don't generally play classical pieces).

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            • AndyDA
              AndyDA
              AndyD
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              #14

              Link to video

              Ventosa viri restabit

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              • AndyDA
                AndyDA
                AndyD
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                #15

                Link to video

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                • AndyDA AndyD

                  Link to video

                  ShiroKuroS
                  ShiroKuroS
                  ShiroKuro
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #16

                  @AndyD thank you for this link! I absolutely love Broge’s playing, and it lovely to hear the gentle strings in the background.

                  Unfortunately , I can’t open the other video you posted.

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                  • AndyDA
                    AndyDA
                    AndyD
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                    #17

                    It's this vinyl
                    8293.jpg

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                    • AndyDA
                      AndyDA
                      AndyD
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                      #18

                      I found we had a copy of CdeL
                      8239.jpg

                      Have played it through, it has no suggested fingering whatsoever. Do any?

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                      • AndyDA AndyD

                        I found we had a copy of CdeL
                        8239.jpg

                        Have played it through, it has no suggested fingering whatsoever. Do any?

                        ShiroKuroS
                        ShiroKuroS
                        ShiroKuro
                        wrote on last edited by ShiroKuro
                        #19

                        @AndyD I saw a version with fingering.. many in the Henle app? I was planning on buying it soon, so I’ll let you know.

                        I need to ā€œfinishā€ two pieces before I start this one. I’d love it if I could finish those two by the end of this month.

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                        • AndyDA
                          AndyDA
                          AndyD
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                          https://vmirror.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/5/5a/IMSLP664379-PMLP2397-SheetMusic_29267.pdf

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                          • ShiroKuroS
                            ShiroKuroS
                            ShiroKuro
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                            #21

                            @andyd Thanks for that link. I just bought the Henle version, which says that it includes fingerings by someone named Hans-Martin Theopold. They look to be different than the fingering in the score you linked to.

                            Looking at this score, it just looks daunting to me… we’ll see. I start fall lessons in the first week of Sept with a new teacher at the uni music school here. I don’t think I’ll work on CdL before than, but maybe I’ll poke at a few measures just to see how hard it is to read…

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                            • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

                              @andyd Thanks for that link. I just bought the Henle version, which says that it includes fingerings by someone named Hans-Martin Theopold. They look to be different than the fingering in the score you linked to.

                              Looking at this score, it just looks daunting to me… we’ll see. I start fall lessons in the first week of Sept with a new teacher at the uni music school here. I don’t think I’ll work on CdL before than, but maybe I’ll poke at a few measures just to see how hard it is to read…

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                              jon-nyc
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                              @ShiroKuro said:

                              Looking at this score, it just looks daunting to me… we’ll see.

                              It fits under the hands pretty well. Based on other things I’ve heard you play this is totally in your reach.

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                              • AndyDA
                                AndyDA
                                AndyD
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                                #23

                                I'd agree

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                                • ShiroKuroS
                                  ShiroKuroS
                                  ShiroKuro
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                                  #24

                                  @jon-nyc and @andyd thank you for the vote of confidence! I start fall lessons in two or three weeks (I'm not actually sure when my first lesson will be) so I plan to read/play it a bit before there. We'll see! šŸ¤ž

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                                  • ShiroKuroS
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                                    ShiroKuro
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                                    #25

                                    Ok I played through about the first 15 measures yesterday… it’s hard šŸ˜… But definitely do-able.

                                    Today I’m going to jump ahead to where the LH pattern changes to those sweeping arpeggios and see how that reads. Maybe that part will be easier for me actually.

                                    I think this will be a challenge in some ways, but just listening and reading along with the score, it seems like it should be ok. I put a bunch of rehearsal marks for myself to guide my practice.

                                    My fall piano lessons start either next week or the following. Maybe I can prep two sections of CdL for that… if so, those sections should probably be the first page and then maybe 8 measures of the sweeping arpeggios… hmmm

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                                    • ShiroKuroS
                                      ShiroKuroS
                                      ShiroKuro
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #26

                                      BTW I need to add.. just playing through the first 15 or so measures, slowly, awkwardly… even that unmusical note-finding… the chords and the harmonies are so gorgeous. It’s very satisfying!

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                                      • AndyDA
                                        AndyDA
                                        AndyD
                                        wrote on last edited by AndyD
                                        #27

                                        See how your feeling when, you're getting on well with all those black flats and, it turns into 4 sharps.
                                        My brain went 🤪
                                        But like most things, practice...

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