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An invitation for the pianists of WTF

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  • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

    @AdagioM said:

    I havenโ€™t really played the piano in a decade, maybe?

    I guess I didn't know that! Do you still have your piano at home?

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    AdagioM
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    @ShiroKuro Yes, I still have my Weinbach grand at home, and still love it. I use it for choir practice, finding my notes. And occasionally try to play it. It also makes a perfect black/white balanced background for photographing yarn. Ha!

    I sold my digital piano several years ago. Roland FP something or other. I like the way sound runs through me from my acoustic piano way better.

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      @Bernard said:
      Do people usually play it straight?

      What do you mean by this?

      Pretty much as written and therefore all pretty much the same. I imagine like the first YouTube video I linked.

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      Bernard
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      @AndyD I don't think anything by Chopin should be played 'all pretty much the same'.

      The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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        @ShiroKuro Yes, I still have my Weinbach grand at home, and still love it. I use it for choir practice, finding my notes. And occasionally try to play it. It also makes a perfect black/white balanced background for photographing yarn. Ha!

        I sold my digital piano several years ago. Roland FP something or other. I like the way sound runs through me from my acoustic piano way better.

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        ShiroKuro
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        @AdagioM said:
        I sold my digital piano several years ago. Roland FP something or other. I like the way sound runs through me from my acoustic piano way better.

        Same!

        When we moved from Japan back to the U.S., for a long time (7 years?) a digital was all I had (apartment life). After I finished grad school, I kept the digital even though I had two different uprights (not at the same time), both were kind of crummy, but I always played the acoustic pianos, even though they were not the greatest instruments.

        But when I bought my grand, I finally sold the digital. I knew I would never play it.

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          AndyD
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          I passed Grade 6 with a distinction in spring of 1978 so would have just turned 16 years old. I recall it would take a year to learn four pieces plus the new scales & arpeggios.
          I miss my old piano teacher, Miss Armstrong.

          I've kept a 'five-bar-gate' count of my practice over this last month since printing the music. I'm off to our London flat again, so no piano for a week๐Ÿ˜ž; decided to record my efforts so far.

          This is the 79th time I've played it through. I still need the music for some bars so it doesn't flow, and there are three mistakes. I'd like to think Miss Armstrong would say "it's coming along nicely"

          Link to video

          Ventosa viri restabit

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            I passed Grade 6 with a distinction in spring of 1978 so would have just turned 16 years old. I recall it would take a year to learn four pieces plus the new scales & arpeggios.
            I miss my old piano teacher, Miss Armstrong.

            I've kept a 'five-bar-gate' count of my practice over this last month since printing the music. I'm off to our London flat again, so no piano for a week๐Ÿ˜ž; decided to record my efforts so far.

            This is the 79th time I've played it through. I still need the music for some bars so it doesn't flow, and there are three mistakes. I'd like to think Miss Armstrong would say "it's coming along nicely"

            Link to video

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            ShiroKuro
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            @AndyD said:

            I've kept a 'five-bar-gate' count of my practice over this last month since printing the music.

            What does that mean?

            I'd like to think Miss Armstrong would say "it's coming along nicely"

            I agree! Sounds great!!

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              AndyD
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              Thanks. It's been interesting.
              Without a teacher who would have stressed the fingering needed in the first lesson (e.g. to get legato on the octaves) it took me probably 40 attempts before I adopted most of the suggested notation.
              I can play it faster & slower but not without a fumble or two because I need the dots. Another 20 times for memory?

              Five-bar-gate counting:
              5028.jpg

              Ventosa viri restabit

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                ShiroKuro
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                @AndyD said:

                Without a teacher who would have stressed the fingering needed in the first lesson (e.g. to get legato on the octaves)

                Fingering is so important. I once thought I would get to the point where I didnโ€™t write in fingering anymore. But now I think thatโ€™s never going to happen. At least not with any pieces that are at or above my playing level. Deciding fingering is sometimes a very slow process, but Iโ€™ve found that taking the time early in the process to not just decide fingering but also write it in makes the overall process faster in the long run.

                Five-bar-gate counting

                I had no idea that was that was called! In fact, I donโ€™t think I would have had a name for that, I googled and it said hash marks or tally marks, a name I recognize but wouldnโ€™t have used without prompting.

                LSNED

                BTW in Japan (and probably in China) this kanji is used for counting. ๆญฃใ€€It has five strokes, and you always write the strokes in the same order, so you can just keep writing it over and over, and if thereโ€™s a half finished character, you can tell what the number is by the shape and the number of strokes.

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                  Thanks. It's been interesting.
                  Without a teacher who would have stressed the fingering needed in the first lesson (e.g. to get legato on the octaves) it took me probably 40 attempts before I adopted most of the suggested notation.
                  I can play it faster & slower but not without a fumble or two because I need the dots. Another 20 times for memory?

                  Five-bar-gate counting:
                  5028.jpg

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                  ShiroKuro
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                  @AndyD btw do you always count like this, recording the number of times you play a piece? Or are you just doing that for this piece?

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                    AndyD
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                    First time ever I've counted as I was curious...
                    It's years since I've sat to properly learn a classical piece that ought to be within my capabilities and wondered how long it would take to learn & memorise at my age. So extrapolating, if I sat for an hour or so daily and played it through 15 times, I could in theory learn it in a week.

                    Love the kanji, very neat. What order are the five lines written?

                    Ventosa viri restabit

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                      I passed Grade 6 with a distinction in spring of 1978 so would have just turned 16 years old. I recall it would take a year to learn four pieces plus the new scales & arpeggios.
                      I miss my old piano teacher, Miss Armstrong.

                      I've kept a 'five-bar-gate' count of my practice over this last month since printing the music. I'm off to our London flat again, so no piano for a week๐Ÿ˜ž; decided to record my efforts so far.

                      This is the 79th time I've played it through. I still need the music for some bars so it doesn't flow, and there are three mistakes. I'd like to think Miss Armstrong would say "it's coming along nicely"

                      Link to video

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                      CHAS
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                      @AndyD Very good. I liked it.

                      Having trouble with my own efforts. Doc put me back on prednisolone for my eye. Yesterday was another day of starting and quitting, unable to focus.

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                        AndyD
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                        Thanks. It would be nice to hear others playing it, any version, any 'style'.

                        Ventosa viri restabit

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                          I passed Grade 6 with a distinction in spring of 1978 so would have just turned 16 years old. I recall it would take a year to learn four pieces plus the new scales & arpeggios.
                          I miss my old piano teacher, Miss Armstrong.

                          I've kept a 'five-bar-gate' count of my practice over this last month since printing the music. I'm off to our London flat again, so no piano for a week๐Ÿ˜ž; decided to record my efforts so far.

                          This is the 79th time I've played it through. I still need the music for some bars so it doesn't flow, and there are three mistakes. I'd like to think Miss Armstrong would say "it's coming along nicely"

                          Link to video

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                          Bernard
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                          @AndyD Wow, you've done a lot of work on it. Very nice.

                          The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                            Mark
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                            Very nice Andy! I printed the score but haven't had time to work on it.

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                              I passed Grade 6 with a distinction in spring of 1978 so would have just turned 16 years old. I recall it would take a year to learn four pieces plus the new scales & arpeggios.
                              I miss my old piano teacher, Miss Armstrong.

                              I've kept a 'five-bar-gate' count of my practice over this last month since printing the music. I'm off to our London flat again, so no piano for a week๐Ÿ˜ž; decided to record my efforts so far.

                              This is the 79th time I've played it through. I still need the music for some bars so it doesn't flow, and there are three mistakes. I'd like to think Miss Armstrong would say "it's coming along nicely"

                              Link to video

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                              CHAS
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                              @AndyD Well done. Thank you

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                                ShiroKuro
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                                @andyd (and anyone else interested) the Wiosna recital at Piano Tell is up, if youโ€™re interested in other listening, or contributing your recording, please take a look:

                                https://forum.pianotell.com/d/2405-piyw-9-play-chopins-wiosna-your-way-is-now-live

                                I havenโ€™t practiced this is weeks, but I still might try to throw something together and submit it. Itโ€™s really fun to listen to each recording and think about which tempo works or how different interpretations create a different feel.

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                                  I had thought about working on it, even read it through a few times, but I made the decision in late spring to take on Chopin's Polonaise Fantasie in hopes of having it ready for class this fall. At the moment I don't know if I'm going to make it. I think class starts in September, so maybe. There are several pages that are coming along nicely, and one or two that need more struggle. I'll see when I get there. I can fall back on the first Polonaise if need be, but darn, I'll love to do the Fantasie. Since class time is shared and limited, I can probably buy time for the challenging passages by only presenting a few pages per week. There just won't be time to play through the whole thing every class plus time for comments and the teacher's coaching. It might work.

                                  I will, though, come back to Wiosna. The subject interests me.

                                  The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                                    AndyD
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                                    Bernard, you are learning this one?

                                    Link to video

                                    Ventosa viri restabit

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                                      AndyD
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                                      A week of practice since the previous recording and here's one this morning

                                      Link to video

                                      I reckon another week for memory and then another for the music.

                                      Off to pressure wash and cement gaps in our front wall. I bet Rubinstein and Wang never let their fingers do such diy ๐Ÿ˜„

                                      Ventosa viri restabit

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                                        I had thought about working on it, even read it through a few times, but I made the decision in late spring to take on Chopin's Polonaise Fantasie in hopes of having it ready for class this fall. At the moment I don't know if I'm going to make it. I think class starts in September, so maybe. There are several pages that are coming along nicely, and one or two that need more struggle. I'll see when I get there. I can fall back on the first Polonaise if need be, but darn, I'll love to do the Fantasie. Since class time is shared and limited, I can probably buy time for the challenging passages by only presenting a few pages per week. There just won't be time to play through the whole thing every class plus time for comments and the teacher's coaching. It might work.

                                        I will, though, come back to Wiosna. The subject interests me.

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                                        ShiroKuro
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                                        @Bernard said:

                                        At the moment I don't know if I'm going to make it.

                                        Will you also prepare a back up piece? Or, can you still use this piece even if itโ€™s not exactly ready?

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                                          A week of practice since the previous recording and here's one this morning

                                          Link to video

                                          I reckon another week for memory and then another for the music.

                                          Off to pressure wash and cement gaps in our front wall. I bet Rubinstein and Wang never let their fingers do such diy ๐Ÿ˜„

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                                          ShiroKuro
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                                          @AndyD thatโ€™s just lovely! I really like hearing how your playing of this has evolved!

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