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    The White House has not submitted plans for Donald Trump’s new ballroom to the federal agency that oversees construction of federal buildings, though demolition is already under way.

    On Tuesday, the White House told Reuters it intended to send plans to the National Capital Planning Commission, an agency that typically approves and monitors construction on federal buildings. Demolition began earlier this week, with reporters taking video of a backhoe ripping out chunks of the White House’s exterior.

    Plans for Trump’s 90,000 sq ft ballroom were made public in the late summer, with Trump saying he would personally fund the $200m construction. “Just another way to spend my money for this construction,” he said at the time.

    The New York Times reported Wednesday, citing a senior administration official, that the ballroom plans will mean the demolition of the entire East Wing.

    White House officials insist demolition is allowed without the commission’s approval. Will Scharf, the Trump-appointed head of the commission, who is also a White House staff secretary, said in September there was a difference between demolition and rebuilding work, and only the commission can approve new construction.

    In a statement to the Guardian, a White House official said: “The National Planning Commission does not require permits for demolition, only for vertical construction. Permits will be submitted to the NPC at the appropriate time.”

    But in a letter sent to the White House on Tuesday, the National Trust for Historic Preservation, a leading historic preservation non-profit created by Congress, told the White House that demolition plans were “legally required” to go through public review and urged Trump to pause demolition.

    “We are deeply concerned that the massing height of the proposed new construction will overwhelm the White House itself – it is 55,000 sq ft – and may also permanently disrupt carefully balanced classical design of the White House with its two smaller, and lower, East and West Wings,” the group said in the letter.

    During Trump’s first term, the White House went through the commission to install a new fence, a much smaller project than the construction of the new ballroom.

    Critics have pointed out that Trump over the summer said new construction would not affect the existing structure.

    “It won’t interfere with the current building. It’ll be near it, but not touching it, and [it] pays total respect to the existing building, which I’m the biggest fan of,” Trump said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/22/white-house-trump-new-ballroom-demolition

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      Seeing the video of the demolition made me very sad.

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        https://bsky.app/profile/schumer.senate.gov/post/3m3szlff7222r

        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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          This-- from architectural experts in Berlin (you're just going to have to trust me on this unless you want a link to an hour long documentary)--

          States build oversized government buildings ignoring any context of their placement as an expression of authoritarianism.

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            It certainly puts the other changes made in the shade.
            The rose garden, oval office carpet, art work and decor are nothing in comparison. But it does seem he's generally removing democrat history from the place.

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              I think they are all vanity projects for him. He’s turning it into Mar-a-Lago North.

              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                Rex Huppke’s assessment, complete with artist’s rendering of the interior.

                https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2025/10/21/trump-white-house-demolition-east-wing-ballroom/86817272007/

                I'm glad Trump is demolishing the White House to build a ballroom | Opinion

                When I first walked past the White House at age 7, my parents had to comfort me as I, unable to raise my voice above a whisper, asked: 'Mummy and daddy, why is there no giant, gaudy ballroom?'

                Historians, critics oppose Trump's ballroom, but what do they know of grandeur?

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                When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                  According to a Facebook post, under the East Wing is the security center for the White House. Trump is building a bunker so he can outshine Hitler. huh 🙂

                  "The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds, is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils;” - Shakespeare

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                    Where's the drummer emoticon when you need it.

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                      Price going up; inflation running rampant.

                      On Wednesday, Trump discussed his plans for the ballroom, saying it will cost “about $300 million.” The administration previously put the cost of the ballroom project at $200 million.

                      Who is supposedly on the list of people funding the project. The amount donated is conspicuously absent.

                      https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/23/politics/ballroom-donors-white-house-trump

                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                        Another diversion from Epstein and Trump's invasion of blue cities.

                        The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                          It can't subpoena him, but word (BBC news report) is that a House Committee is considering sending an invitation to Prince Andrew to testify about Epstein.

                          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                            Prince Andrew's Duke of York title has been reported as stripped from him. Actually, that would take an act of Parliament. His Duke of York title has been put in abeyance.

                            Of course, he won't show up in Washington.

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                              It can't subpoena him, but word (BBC news report) is that a House Committee is considering sending an invitation to Prince Andrew to testify about Epstein.

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                              @wtg
                              Why would Andrew respond to that?

                              "The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds, is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils;” - Shakespeare

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                                There are Americans who don't bother to show up.

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                                  @wtg
                                  Why would Andrew respond to that?

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                                  @CHAS

                                  I doubt he would. Of course he thought that doing that Newsnight interview in 2018 was a good idea and after the interview told people he thought it went really well, so one never knows.

                                  When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                    Latest I saw was that the wing was first put up to hide the bunker below and that the reason plans won't be seen by regular channels is that a bigger royal bunker is the real reason for the ballroom...

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                                      "Dictator Chic".

                                      https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/trump-style-dictator-autocrats-design-214877/

                                      The article is from 2017.

                                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                        I think Andrew has already refused to be interviewed by the FBI but don't remember the details.

                                        Fergie's "title" is a courtesy title in the style of a divorced peeress. Diana's title after the divorce was too.

                                        Both outcomes were a result of a Letters Patent signed by the Queen.

                                        It's not a royal title. I don't know how a courtesy title would be stripped.

                                        It's just my opinion but I think Parliament should definitely strip the royal titles from Andrew, Harry and Markle.

                                        Or more precisely I think Parliament should strip the royal titles from Harry, and especially from Andrew, and from Markle.

                                        I haven't been a Markle fan for a long time but her fake tear (and I can prove it) at the Queen's funeral is was when I got off the train.

                                        Andrew should be in prison for the rest of his life.

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                                          Latest I saw was that the wing was first put up to hide the bunker below and that the reason plans won't be seen by regular channels is that a bigger royal bunker is the real reason for the ballroom...

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                                          @Rontuner said in About that White House ballroom and the East Wing:

                                          Latest I saw was that the wing was first put up to hide the bunker below and that the reason plans won't be seen by regular channels is that a bigger royal bunker is the real reason for the ballroom...

                                          Melania must be worried they'll find her escape tunnel

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