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  • wtgW Offline
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    wtg
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    Somebody’s going to lose their job over this leak.

    The US military strikes on three of Iran’s nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country’s nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by four people briefed on it.

    The assessment, which has not been previously reported, was produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s intelligence arm. It is based on a battle damage assessment conducted by US Central Command in the aftermath of the US strikes, one of the sources said.

    The analysis of the damage to the sites and the impact of the strikes on Iran’s nuclear ambitions is ongoing, and could change as more intelligence becomes available. But the early findings are at odds with President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that the strikes “completely and totally obliterated” Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also said on Sunday that Iran’s nuclear ambitions “have been obliterated.”

    Two of the people familiar with the assessment said Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium was not destroyed. One of the people said the centrifuges are largely “intact.”

    “So the (DIA) assessment is that the US set them back maybe a few months, tops,” this person added.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/24/politics/intel-assessment-us-strikes-iran-nuclear-sites

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      Thank you for your attention in this matter.

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        wtg
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        And then there is China…

        https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/24/trump-takes-middle-east-cease-fire-to-trade-war-strategy-00420371

        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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          He's desperate to hang onto the hope of that Nobel.

          https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/trump-compares-strikes-on-iran-to-hiroshima-bombing-says-it-ended-the-war-8758950

          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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            Good piece from Haaretz.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/haaretz-explains-after-the-strikes-what-s-really-left-of-iran-s-nuclear-program/ar-AA1HpaaW

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              He's desperate to hang onto the hope of that Nobel.

              https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/trump-compares-strikes-on-iran-to-hiroshima-bombing-says-it-ended-the-war-8758950

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              said in Iran:

              He's desperate to hang onto the hope of that Nobel.

              https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/trump-compares-strikes-on-iran-to-hiroshima-bombing-says-it-ended-the-war-8758950

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                wtg
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                IAEA assessment.

                https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/29/world/iaea-iran-enriched-uranium-intl

                When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                  IAEA assessment.

                  https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/29/world/iaea-iran-enriched-uranium-intl

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                  DougG
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                  @wtg

                  I read the first line of your post as “IKEA assessment”. I presumed the story was gonna say that it was going to be hard to put back together….

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                    Nüke by IKEA: instructions for assembling a nuclear bomb

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                      Daniel.
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                      It has to be enriched to 90%. It's in the range of industrial use at 60%, iirc.

                      This isn't about nuclear weapons according to the international monitoring agency and US intelligence.

                      How could it be when it's about regime change?

                      Let's put aside Israel and its nonsense starting this war, there seems to be something about the American masses wanting to be lied to and frightened out of their wits.

                      These regime change wars have led to disaster and this one would be no exception.

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                        Daniel.
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                        Link to video

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                          AndyD
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                          Who is expecting regime change? The Iranians don't think it, I don't from the news we hear, however nice it might be to have some kind of democracy.
                          If it does happen years from now then you'll probably see a military dictatorship come to power.
                          Israel will continue being the only western style democracy in the area for decades to come.

                          This 12 day war was all about stopping the regions greatest sponsor of terror, of destabilisation, becoming an even worse bully.
                          Iranian influence including that of it's proxies has been greatly diminished and that is a good thing.

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                            Daniel.
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                            Western democracies don't practice aparteid, collective punishment, mass torture, forced starvation, the targeting of civilians, and genocide.

                            Israel is no "democracy." How absurd.

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                              Release the Israeli hostages!

                              On paper, with their pepole over 18 voting, multi-party system and more frequent elections leading to coalition governments, their democracy is at least as valid as yours?

                              Problem is their neighbours, troublesome people they have to live with (something with which I'd have thought you'd have empathy).

                              Seems they've tried forms of integration, mediation, separation, now they're being forced into isolation.

                              Release the hostages!
                              I have grave doubts as to the innocence of many Gazan civilians.

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                                Release the Israeli hostages!

                                On paper, with their pepole over 18 voting, multi-party system and more frequent elections leading to coalition governments, their democracy is at least as valid as yours?

                                Problem is their neighbours, troublesome people they have to live with (something with which I'd have thought you'd have empathy).

                                Seems they've tried forms of integration, mediation, separation, now they're being forced into isolation.

                                Release the hostages!
                                I have grave doubts as to the innocence of many Gazan civilians.

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                                Daniel.
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                                @AndyD said in Iran:

                                Release the Israeli hostages!

                                On paper, with their pepole over 18 voting, multi-party system and more frequent elections leading to coalition governments, their democracy is at least as valid as yours?

                                Problem is their neighbours, troublesome people they have to live with (something with which I'd have thought you'd have empathy).

                                Seems they've tried forms of integration, mediation, separation, now they're being forced into isolation.

                                Release the hostages!
                                I have grave doubts as to the innocence of many Gazan civilians.

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                                The shared interests and enjoyable conversations we have in this new forum have been a revelation.

                                But I will never agree with your way of thinking about this topic.

                                Civilians are civilians.

                                A is A. -- Aristotle

                                It is a philosophical thought construct as old as Western civilization.

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                                  AndyD
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                                  Civilians also take action or non-action.
                                  Resistance against evil. Acceptance of evil.

                                  The Hamas Gazan government and all Gazans who support it are terrorists.
                                  Biden called them and their soldiers "animals" he was so disgusted at what they did in Israel on Oct 7th.

                                  There has been no admission of guilt from Gaza, no repentance. They defiantly keep two dozen hostages in captivity for nearly two years.

                                  Where are the decent Gazans who say this is wrong, who say the hostages are being held at such and such place.

                                  I for one will never forget the glee of a huge celebratory Gazan crowd shouting "God is Great" when their soldiers force an abducted & raped Israeli girl from their jeep and display her in triumph.

                                  The Oct 7th atrocities were a wake up call for Israel, that like that Israeli girl, they are isolated, surrounded by Arabs who smile but want to kill.

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                                    FFS. We're talking about children being shot in the head and people lining up for bread being massacred. Enough.

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