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Does Islam encourage violence?

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    CHAS
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    Yes or no.
    https://www.whyislam.org/what-about-verses-in-the-quran-that-encourage-you-to-kill-non-believers-wherever-you-find-them/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=8704312237&gbraid=0AAAAADNJvn4nrW2cJqxf1Hb9_37CvFEEt&gclid=Cj0KCQiA5NXXBhDEARIsABAJhdJ-e975D5bS7m1GWf61g-5_Le34ALUxq8hLVaq8A9XmUsnI-eF8ghgaAt1dEALw_wcB

    Illegitimi non carborundum

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      jon-nyc
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      Having some apologist tell you the man slitting your throat in the name of Islam is reading the texts incorrectly is probably little consolation.

      I would imagine that also holds true for the Jews getting tortured by Torquemada.

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        Bernard
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        No. The Qur'an specifically states that self-defense is justified, unprovoked attacks are not justified. Pretty standard fare.

        The fact that militant radicals, fundamentalists, and terrorists use cherry picking to justify their actions is a reflection of extremist thought. Pretty stand fare as well.

        The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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          No. The Qur'an specifically states that self-defense is justified, unprovoked attacks are not justified. Pretty standard fare.

          The fact that militant radicals, fundamentalists, and terrorists use cherry picking to justify their actions is a reflection of extremist thought. Pretty stand fare as well.

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          jon-nyc
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          By far and away, the frequency of such radicals in the population is the most, really the only salient fact determining how violent a particular religion is. That someone, somewhere reads the text differently isn’t really exculpatory.

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            Bernard
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            The frequency of such radicals in the population is cause for studying the reasons for radicalization. It says nothing of the inherent violence of a particular religion. The vast majority (99%) of Muslims do not engage in violence. The vast majority of Jews and Christians do not engage in violence. The reasons for radicalization are likely pretty complex and certainly include the element of interference by outside countries (hello US and other western nations). It also seems reasonable to say that radicalization can come from indoctrination by bad acting clergy. I'm sure there are many reasons. Why do Muslims terrorists turn to violence? Why do militant Jewish settlers turn to violence? Why do Christian nationalists turn to violence? What seems clear is that state sponsorship allows these distortions of "sacred" text to manifest themselves in violence. We can be pretty sure that if Christians in the US had government sanction to use violence against gays and trans, they would. They have told us so.

            The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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              Daniel
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              How violent in the US? The US is a secular country but we know for a fact a large part of its government and military are Christian Nationalists. How many people have Christians from Europe (not the "EU") killed or starved to death in their colonial projects over centuries? The answer is in the 100's of millions. Doesn't the Old Testament not advocate genocide in explicit words?

              So, are Muslims (a generalized label if there ever was one), "a religious g that advocates violence? Is "Islam" a religion that advocates violence?"

              I don't like to use the word "Islamophobia" but I'm comfortable with the word"bigotry".

              No amount of dancing on the head if a pin will lead to any logical argument proving that Muslims per se advocate violence.

              Is a lie we are being told,, and have been told for centuries.

              Some groups of Muslims advocate violence. Only some of this advocacy is religious. Much of it is political.

              It's no indictment of Islam, unless you would you'd like to throw all organized religions into the same category.

              'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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                How violent in the US? The US is a secular country but we know for a fact a large part of its government and military are Christian Nationalists. How many people have Christians from Europe (not the "EU") killed or starved to death in their colonial projects over centuries? The answer is in the 100's of millions. Doesn't the Old Testament not advocate genocide in explicit words?

                So, are Muslims (a generalized label if there ever was one), "a religious g that advocates violence? Is "Islam" a religion that advocates violence?"

                I don't like to use the word "Islamophobia" but I'm comfortable with the word"bigotry".

                No amount of dancing on the head if a pin will lead to any logical argument proving that Muslims per se advocate violence.

                Is a lie we are being told,, and have been told for centuries.

                Some groups of Muslims advocate violence. Only some of this advocacy is religious. Much of it is political.

                It's no indictment of Islam, unless you would you'd like to throw all organized religions into the same category.

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                jon-nyc
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                @Daniel said:

                It's no indictment of Islam, unless you would you'd like to throw all organized religions into the same category.

                Deal.

                (As I said before, whattaboutism rarely works with me, since the presumption that I hold the counter example sacred in any way is almost always false)

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                  @jon-nyc Very pleased.

                  'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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                    The frequency of such radicals in the population is cause for studying the reasons for radicalization. It says nothing of the inherent violence of a particular religion. The vast majority (99%) of Muslims do not engage in violence. The vast majority of Jews and Christians do not engage in violence. The reasons for radicalization are likely pretty complex and certainly include the element of interference by outside countries (hello US and other western nations). It also seems reasonable to say that radicalization can come from indoctrination by bad acting clergy. I'm sure there are many reasons. Why do Muslims terrorists turn to violence? Why do militant Jewish settlers turn to violence? Why do Christian nationalists turn to violence? What seems clear is that state sponsorship allows these distortions of "sacred" text to manifest themselves in violence. We can be pretty sure that if Christians in the US had government sanction to use violence against gays and trans, they would. They have told us so.

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                    Daniel
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                    @Bernard said:

                    The frequency of such radicals in the population is cause for studying the reasons for radicalization. It says nothing of the inherent violence of a particular religion. The vast majority (99%) of Muslims do not engage in violence. The vast majority of Jews and Christians do not engage in violence. The reasons for radicalization are likely pretty complex and certainly include the element of interference by outside countries (hello US and other western nations). It also seems reasonable to say that radicalization can come from indoctrination by bad acting clergy. I'm sure there are many reasons. Why do Muslims terrorists turn to violence? Why do militant Jewish settlers turn to violence? Why do Christian nationalists turn to violence? What seems clear is that state sponsorship allows these distortions of "sacred" text to manifest themselves in violence. We can be pretty sure that if Christians in the US had government sanction to use violence against gays and trans, they would. They have told us so.

                    Bad acting clergy? Yes.

                    And, I'd add bad acting authority figures, bad acting authorities, and bad acting elites, in various environments.

                    'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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                      @Daniel said:

                      It's no indictment of Islam, unless you would you'd like to throw all organized religions into the same category.

                      Deal.

                      (As I said before, whattaboutism rarely works with me, since the presumption that I hold the counter example sacred in any way is almost always false)

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                      @jon-nyc said:

                      @Daniel said:

                      It's no indictment of Islam, unless you would you'd like to throw all organized religions into the same category.

                      Deal.

                      (As I said before, whattaboutism rarely works with me, since the presumption that I hold the counter example sacred in any way is almost always false)

                      Agree 100%. Given a chance, all of them would institute a government run by their cult and the rules said cult.

                      Our founders were quite clear on the subject of separation of religion and state.

                      America is in no way a "christian nation". That a good portion of our population thinks it is, makes me want to puke.

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