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  • wtgW wtg

    @AndyD said:

    Does this bring accountability?
    For example, can Donald's dodgy diesel deal be stopped?

    I'm not sure it does. He will rule by executive order, do what he wants, and will wait for the courts to sort it out and then defy the judiciary. That takes forever and time is on his side. He's been doing that all along.

    Congress and the courts can tell him "you can't do that" but he routinely ignores the rule of law. The executive controls the military. Neither the legislature nor the judiciary has any kind of enforcement mechanism.

    The only way to stop him is a successful impeachment effort. I don't know that there are enough Republicans in the Senate who have the cojones to vote to impeach. There were some in 2020, but they and the others who resisted him in this second term are gone.

    It's gonna be interesting.

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    Daniel
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    @wtg said:

    @AndyD said:

    Does this bring accountability?
    For example, can Donald's dodgy diesel deal be stopped?

    I'm not sure it does. He will rule by executive order, do what he wants, and will wait for the courts to sort it out and then defy the judiciary. That takes forever and time is on his side. He's been doing that all along.

    Congress and the courts can tell him "you can't do that" but he routinely ignores the rule of law. The executive controls the military. Neither the legislature nor the judiciary has any kind of enforcement mechanism.

    The only way to stop him is a successful impeachment effort. I don't know that there are enough Republicans in the Senate who have the cojones to vote to impeach. There were some in 2020, but they and the others who resisted him in this second term are gone.

    It's gonna be interesting.

    +1

    To add- I think it's an important point about the legislative branch. The Supreme Court, for example, has had more seats stolen by Republicans from 2000 until now than I care to spend my evening counting. The Republicans even managed to steal a seat that was Obama's remit to fill.

    To clarify my post to Andy- this election was an historically massive rejection of the sitting president.

    But I don't think anyone should think for a minute that Democrats, as a party, do not still have the problem of being against Trump but not standing for any good public policy, foreign or domestic, with any vision, consensus, cohesiveness, and willpower.

    They were shameful when they had the presidency and both house under Biden. They accomplished nothing on a range of issues that should have been front and center. They were shameful as an opposition party in the last two years. They basically rolled over, drew no line in the sand, and made half-hearted attempts to brake a runaway train.

    Still, the number of wins was not any regular mid-term correction, and a lot of the new people are exceptional

    I'm hopeful because "hope springs eternal" but not for any reason I can put my finger on at the moment

    @andyd American presidents haven't been held to account since Ford pardoned Nixon. It's a way of life here.

    'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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    • wtgW wtg

      @AndyD said:

      Does this bring accountability?
      For example, can Donald's dodgy diesel deal be stopped?

      I'm not sure it does. He will rule by executive order, do what he wants, and will wait for the courts to sort it out and then defy the judiciary. That takes forever and time is on his side. He's been doing that all along.

      Congress and the courts can tell him "you can't do that" but he routinely ignores the rule of law. The executive controls the military. Neither the legislature nor the judiciary has any kind of enforcement mechanism.

      The only way to stop him is a successful impeachment effort. I don't know that there are enough Republicans in the Senate who have the cojones to vote to impeach. There were some in 2020, but they and the others who resisted him in this second term are gone.

      It's gonna be interesting.

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      @wtg said:

      …. I don't know that there are enough Republicans in the Senate who have the cojones to vote to impeach convict.

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        Link to video

        DeSantis has a rare moment of candor.

        'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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          Interesting. Though also a bit self serving, as he contrasts Florida favorably to Texas.

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            Daniel
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            Yes, a bit. Lol.

            'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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              @kluurs said:

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              Also the house majority is big enough that it can’t get ‘tea partied’ by a handful of radicals. A strategy that was being openly discussed before Tuesday.

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                  The cankles are a nice touch.

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                    @jon-nyc Who are the radicals? Are they the ones who are opposing the egregious foreign and domestic policy decisions of the administration (do I need to list them?)?

                    If not, what positions do these people hold that can reasonably be said to be radical?

                    Well, the term "radicals" is, considering what is happening now in the US and around the world, a meaningless label, IMO.

                    Is "punching down" on the left fun? It never did anything for me.

                    'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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                      The analogy of the tea party is correct. It would be a minority of members who hold an opinion far out of the mainstream that hold the caucus hostage, because they can, since their vote is needed to reach a majority. In extreme cases that can be one representative (this is the point of the Fetterman meme, in a 51-49 senate he would call a lot of shots, in a 56-44 senate he’d call none). In the tea party example it was a dozen or fewer I believe.

                      I would imagine that being against egregious foreign and domestic policies of the current administration would, almost definitionally, be mainstream.

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                        You haven't articulated and neither have you demonstrated any "radical" position(s) you allege the DSA (let's call a spade a spade") members hold let alone demonstrated that the same are out of the "mainstream."

                        The mainstream is in opposition to what the government is doing in the US and in the world.

                        This opposition WAS the reason for this blue wave/ tsunami.

                        'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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                          @jon-nyc said:

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                          He will be remembered as one of the most corrupt politicians in American history. His illegal and illegitimate denial of a vote for or against Obama's last Supreme Court nominee will attach ignominy to his name forever, not that any of his other conduct is deserving of an once of respect.

                          But he is comedy gold.

                          'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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                            Imagine for a minute you were Mitch McConnell’s son or daughter.

                            Or even a lucid Mitch of age, say, 55.

                            In other words, imagine you cared about him and his reputation and legacy.

                            Would you rather he end his service this way? Or retiring respectfully a decade earlier?

                            Again, if you can imagine some empathy for him, it’s actually sad he and his advisors chose this course.

                            Someone I know, talking about when the right time to retire is, put it this way ‘leave when you’re an elder, not when you’re elderly’.

                            I think it’s great advice. I’m dealing with some of the latter right now in my foundation.

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