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    Bernard
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    I don't think it's that simple, jon.

    "What they can afford."

    France is doing things right and are paying for it because the rest of the world dilly-dallies. France rates way above the US when it comes to addressing climate change. It has strict business regulations. It has a recycling rate of 50% (the US is a meager 6%). France cares for it's citizens by providing them with healthcare (we all know the situation in the US). None of this is cheap. But it is right.

    Then there are the peculiarities of being in the EU. Their debt is not in their own currency (I don't exactly know why this matters, but I've read from several sources that it makes a difference.). As a ratio to the GDP, their debt numbers are lower than the US. There is also wealth inequality that has risen fast. High unemployment at around 8% that doesn't budge.

    It seems to me that when wealth is transfered to private hands as it has done so grotesquely in the past 40 years, that wealth is not invested in the well-being of a country. It is used by the wealthy to get more wealth. If the government taxed at appropriate levels, that wealth would go into societal investment, and it would benefit everyone, not just the wealthy who continue to get wealthier. It's a bad cycle and one that needs to be halted in it's tracks. Citizens of society create wealth and it's been getting scooped up beyond the limits of decency for too long.

    The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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      No sooner had I posted above, then I see a new video today from Richard Murphy ...

      Link to video

      The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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        jon-nyc
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        I think the tax for high earners is already close to 60%. That may well be on the other side of the laffer curve. More than half don’t pay income tax at all.

        They famously tried a wealth tax and rolled it back because the wealthy were leaving.

        Those protesters/looters/nihilists are in for a surprise.

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          jon-nyc
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          It matters that they don’t have their own currency because they can’t print money to pay their debt any more than you or I can. Hence the eventual need for a bailout.

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            Axtremus
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            #23

            Maybe the AI productivity boom will bail them out. With AI and robots doing most of the work (powered by nuclear power plants), maybe they can lower retirement age and increase social spending (and reduce greenhouse gases at the same time). 🤷

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              The EU is terrible imo.

              Its currency system is a control mechanism, and has impoverished many of its countries.

              'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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                Daniel
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                It's worth mentioning the unrest isn't only in France.

                'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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                  Daniel
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                  Vive la France! ⚜️

                  'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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                    Barcelona hit with violence last night. I didn’t see it, but heard about it from my cab driver this morning. (On my way home from Barcelona now)

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                      Safe travels.

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