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      Donald Trump has denied a report in the Wall Street Journal that he has approved US plans to attack Iran, saying that the news outlet has “no idea” what his thinking is concerning the Israel-Iran conflict.

      The Journal reported late on Wednesday that Trump told senior aides a day earlier that he had approved attack plans but was delaying on giving the final order to see if Tehran would abandon its nuclear program. The report cited three anonymous officials.

      On Thursday, Trump responded to the report, posting on Truth Social: “The Wall Street Journal has No Idea what my thoughts are concerning Iran!”

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/19/trump-iran-attack-plans-denial

      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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        Of course he would deny it. No president would want that kind of information known.

        On the other hand, it could just represent another instance of T.A.C.O.

        Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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          https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/21/world/iran-israel-trump

          Trump announced the United States had struck Fordo, Iran’s heavily fortified nuclear facilities, as well as two other sites.

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            Well, Mik, looks like I was right and you weren't... 😉

            Trump has thrown the dice. He risks a significant rupture within his base over this.

            If "I" was in charge, I would be telling Iran that we're taking out Fordo and nothing else. React and we'll take out other stuff. Why don't we talk now.

            Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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              I find it interesting that all the headlines I've seen and heard use the caveat "Trump said." That means news organizations haven't yet independently verified the bombings.

              fear is the thief of dreams

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                From BBC News:

                Apparently the Iranians acknowledged that the sites were hit. But that they had been evacuated and fissile materials were moved out a long time ago, so the bombings were ineffective.

                https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ckg3rzj8emjt

                Hard to tell who is lying.

                When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                  The Israelis have deeply penetrated Iran. If they knew where a particular scientist's safe house hiding place was, do we really suppose that they don't know where the enriched material is housed?

                  Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                    As soon as Trump gave a two week warning I filled both cars with petrol (much good that it does🙄) thinking what choice will Iran & Israel give him... it will be sooner.

                    Iran will respond. Always does. Question is, what ordnance do have they remaining and how.

                    And if anything was removed from those sites the US will know. They'd know what time I cut the lawn yesterday and what I did with the cuttings if they wanted to😆

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                      He's gone off the deep end. Glad the neocons including Republicans and Democrats got their way after decades of trying./ Sarcasm

                      Did they listen to the intelligence? No. Did they listen to the war criminal Netanyahu (again!)? Yes. Will this war be a disaster like all the previous wars going back to Vietnam? Yes.

                      What a sorry world we live in.

                      Let's risk blowing it all up and making it uninhabitable. I'm sure Elon will take us to Mars in his spaceships and if we're lucky he'll let us drive a rust bucket truck. /Sarcasm

                      This has been planned for decades.

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                        "Don't let facts get in your way."

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                          Good discussion on Fareed's show this morning. Head of the IAEA group that was in Iran, Richard Haas, and James Stavridis. The IAEA guy said it's impossible to know how much damage there is until someone gets a closer look.

                          Will post transcript when it becomes available.

                          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                            The latest conspiracy theory is Trump is be blackmailed by Epstein Island information and most of this was theater with the Iranians being forwarded. This is actually from a good source but I had to stop listening to it because I had things that needed to be done. Let's say, hypothetically speaking, this conspiracy theory happens to contain the truth. It would still mean this situation is messed up AF.

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                              If you use nuclear power for energy you need 5% enriched uranium. Not 60% enriched which Iran admits having, or greater. Hidden deep underground and defended by the IRGuard.

                              The Iranian nuclear weapons program was real, and had one aim. Influence, power. The spread of their Islam, the spread of their theocracy over the whole world.

                              The Iranians have for over two decades been arming their proxies to this end, and IMO they could not be allowed to have nuclear weapon capabilities.
                              Imagine Iran giving portable nuclear bombs to its proxy fighters.

                              Pre-emptive self defence is fully justified.

                              Congratulations USA on this mission.

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                              • D Daniel.

                                The latest conspiracy theory is Trump is be blackmailed by Epstein Island information and most of this was theater with the Iranians being forwarded. This is actually from a good source but I had to stop listening to it because I had things that needed to be done. Let's say, hypothetically speaking, this conspiracy theory happens to contain the truth. It would still mean this situation is messed up AF.

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                                said in Iran:

                                The latest conspiracy theory is Trump is be blackmailed by Epstein Island information and most of this was theater with the Iranians being forwarded. This is actually from a good source but I had to stop listening to it because I had things that needed to be done. Let's say, hypothetically speaking, this conspiracy theory happens to contain the truth. It would still mean this situation is messed up AF.

                                Link to video

                                I watch this channel. I like the narrator (and the narration).

                                This is 20 minutes. I finished the last 10 minutes of it.

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                                  Iran was a secular country before a US regime change operation.

                                  (With UK help? I wouldn't be surprised.)

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                                    He really needs to shut up.

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                                    I have zero confidence in his decision making skills. He's treating the world like a game of Risk, or another version of The Apprentice. All a game to him and he always wants to be a "winner", however he defines that in his tiny little pea brain.

                                    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                      U.S. officials say that strikes conducted on three key Iranian nuclear sites have devastated its nuclear program, but independent experts analyzing commercial satellite imagery say the nation's long-running nuclear enterprise is far from destroyed.

                                      "At the end of the day there are some really important things that haven't been hit," says Jeffrey Lewis, a professor at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, who tracks Iran's nuclear facilities. "If this ends here, it's a really incomplete strike."

                                      In particular Lewis says the strike doesn't seem to have touched Iran's stocks of highly enriched uranium.

                                      "Today, it still has that material and we still don't know where it is," he says.

                                      "I think you have to assume that significant amounts of this enriched uranium still exist, so this is not over by any means," agrees David Albright, the president of the Institute for Science and International Security, which has closely tracked Iran's nuclear program for years.

                                      The independent assessments stand in stark contrast to congratulatory statements from the Trump Administration in the wake of the strikes.

                                      With pics:

                                      https://www.npr.org/2025/06/22/nx-s1-5441734/satellites-show-damage-iran-nuclear-program-not-destroyed-experts-say

                                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                        I'm sure that any "peace" deal will have Iran surrender its highly enriched material and agree that for "peaceful" purposes any enriched uranium it needs will be supplied by others.

                                        Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                                          @AndyD

                                          Say what you want but this man is a dumpster fire of a leader.

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