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  • wtgW Offline
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    Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College

    ChatGPT has unraveled the entire academic project..

    New York magazine:

    https://archive.is/yhYPx

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      My colleagues and I are talking about this article. It's truly distressing. And some of them didn't have any sense that this is happening to the extent it is.

      I started changing a lot of the assessments I do in fall 2023 because of ChatGPT, but what I do doesn't work in all classes, and then some instructors haven't even adapted any of their classes....

      But anyway, yeah, things are bad and they're going to get worse....

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        I'm getting geared up to start an "I'm retired now" thread, just as soon as I finish grading this last batch of papers, so I no longer have as much skin in the game. (Of course, we all have skin in the game when current events seem poised to make the people who will run the world when we're in our twilight years as ignorant as possible, but I digress.).

        Anyway. I have seen some AI work cross my desk, and I've probably been fooled by some, but it's a heavier lift for AI to generate a convincing creative assignment, especially one that convincingly imitates the naivete of a nineteen-year-old's first attempt at fiction. Nevertheless, if I weren't retiring, I would be considering steps like having them do in-class assignments by hand in blue books. They would be miserable to grade, since everybody's handwriting has declined in recent decades, including mine, but they would show that I meant business. I would set the grading scale so that you couldn't pass without writing something in class that was at least plausible.

        There may already be software out there, but if there isn't, some entrepreneur needs to develop some word processing app that temporarily "takes over" the computer. While it's active, you can't access the internet or anything stored on your computer. It should be able to monitored by the instructor, who would see that you had been logged into that app and nothing else for the duration of the class period until you turned in your work. I would name it Blue Book. This would allow students to type their work and relieve the poor instructor from the need to read their handwriting.

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          @Mary-Anna I have changed how my class grades are weighted to increase the weight of in-class (handwritten) exams.

          Also there’s something called a “lockdown browser” that is supposed to do what you describe. It became common during covid but if someone is using it at home, there’s no guarantee that they aren’t using a second device. There also are ones that use the student’s camera and are supposed to ensure that the student’s eyes stay on the device etc. but I never used that because it felt too Orwellian to me. And I haven’t used the lockdown browser for in-class exams yet.

          But if students’ handwriting continues to decline, I might have to start!

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            Yes, controlling their eyes seems too weird, but separating them from the internet and machine learning software does not!

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            • M Mary Anna

              Yes, controlling their eyes seems too weird, but separating them from the internet and machine learning software does not!

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              @Mary-Anna said in hi chat I need your help writing an essay:

              controlling their eyes seems too weird, but separating them from the internet and machine learning software does not!

              Indeed. What a world we find ourselves in.... 😕

              When I took my PhD qualifying exams, we used laptops provided for us by the university tech support office. That way the profs knew exact what was, or was not, included/available on the machines. They couldn't connect to the internet at all, and there would have been no way for an exam taker to "plant" something on the machines.

              But at most, you might have five students taking quals in one sitting. Maybe more in a large program, but still a pretty small number.

              That's the best scenario, to my mind. The student can use a word processor and edit, structure their text etc. But that would never scale unfortunately.

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