What if he loses
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The Very Real Scenario Where Trump Loses and Takes Power Anyway
If Trump overturns the 2024 election, here’s how it could happen.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/10/20/trump-overturn-2024-election-plan-00184103
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He has zero chance of pulling anything like this off.
“I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
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@ShiroKuro said in What if he loses:
I don't think I want to read this.... I value my sleep too much.
Yea, I'm thinking I'm going to start a Politics tag on threads so people can avoid them altogether.
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@Mik said in What if he loses:
He has zero chance of pulling anything like this off.
I think that's underestimating him and the people around him. Think of what people like Giuliani, Ellis and Eastman tried to do after the 2020 election. I think he's got way more qualified people who have been thinking about this for the last four years and I bet there is no stone they've left unturned.
The previous crew lost 60+ court cases and they (including the Big Guy) still think that he really won the last election. It's so bad that he couldn't even bring himself to attend Biden's inauguration, turning his back on the time-honored tradition of the publicly acknowledging the transfer of power to the next administration.
I was struck by John Kelly's recent remarks to the Atlantic and the NYT about Trump. Actually hearing Kelly's voice as he describes what happened is, to me, pretty chilling. And I think his statement that people should consider character over policy is powerful.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/john-kelly-swinging-trump/story?id=115061457
Here's the NYT interview with Kelly. I could get to it with Reader View.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/22/us/politics/john-kelly-trump-fitness-character.html
When it comes to believing what Kelly says happened and his analysis of Trump's character vs the denials from the the Trump campaign, there's no question my money's all in with Kelly.
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@Mik said in What if he loses:
Interesting piece, and in a typical election looking at policy issues like these when making the decision regarding whom to vote for would be normal. But I don't think this is a normal election, or perhaps it's that I feel so strongly that Trump is not a normal candidate. There is no "but what about X?" in the equation as far as I'm concerned.
Every voter should read the Kelly interview in the NYT and listen to the audio clips.
“In many cases, I would agree with some of his policies,” he said, stressing that as a former military officer he was not endorsing any candidate. “But again, it’s a very dangerous thing to have the wrong person elected to high office.”
And Cheney.
If your response to Gen John Kelly, gold star father & Trump’s WH chief of staff, confirming that Trump praised Hitler & called members of our military “suckers and losers” is to defend Trump, you need to look in the mirror and realize your dishonor will live forever.
Sidebar...I'm not a doctor but I think Trump is suffering from significant cognitive decline over the last four years. I don't know how anyone could think otherwise listening to his speeches. But we can set that aside and focus on character.
I think Trump is a deeply flawed person. It’s more than just someone with whom I disagree with on policy, or that I just don't connect with on a person-to-person level. His management style embraces chaos, creates crisis, and pits people against each other. In an already volatile world, I don't see that as a productive approach, and in fact I think it's dangerous. He acts on impulse and ignores the advice of others on critical issues. I think his decisions are largely driven by self-centeredness and insecurity.
One could argue that my position is a partisan one, but the fact that so many of the people who have worked closely with him at very high levels of government and/or who are from his own party feel the same way should raise even more alarm bells about what a second Trump presidency could/would look like. If one isn't affected by what he's said and done in the past, hearing Kelly, Cheney, Christie, and others talk about him should send shivers down everyone's spine.
I think that people in the GOP who roundly criticized him after the last election but have now reversed course and are supporting him are doing exactly the same thing that people surrounding Biden who ignored his decline did. They're placing their own and/or their party's interests over what is better for the country at a very fundamental level.
Every voter has to determine what is most important to them. From where I sit it boils down to country over party and character over policy.
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@Mik said in What if he loses:
He has zero chance of pulling anything like this off.
He may well fail, but him trying is enough to create chaos/crisis.
@Axtremus said in What if he loses:
@Mik said in What if he loses:
He has zero chance of pulling anything like this off.
He may well fail, but him trying is enough to create chaos/crisis.
Yup. We’re in for a rough ride no matter what.
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@Mik said in What if he loses:
Interesting piece, and in a typical election looking at policy issues like these when making the decision regarding whom to vote for would be normal. But I don't think this is a normal election, or perhaps it's that I feel so strongly that Trump is not a normal candidate. There is no "but what about X?" in the equation as far as I'm concerned.
Every voter should read the Kelly interview in the NYT and listen to the audio clips.
“In many cases, I would agree with some of his policies,” he said, stressing that as a former military officer he was not endorsing any candidate. “But again, it’s a very dangerous thing to have the wrong person elected to high office.”
And Cheney.
If your response to Gen John Kelly, gold star father & Trump’s WH chief of staff, confirming that Trump praised Hitler & called members of our military “suckers and losers” is to defend Trump, you need to look in the mirror and realize your dishonor will live forever.
Sidebar...I'm not a doctor but I think Trump is suffering from significant cognitive decline over the last four years. I don't know how anyone could think otherwise listening to his speeches. But we can set that aside and focus on character.
I think Trump is a deeply flawed person. It’s more than just someone with whom I disagree with on policy, or that I just don't connect with on a person-to-person level. His management style embraces chaos, creates crisis, and pits people against each other. In an already volatile world, I don't see that as a productive approach, and in fact I think it's dangerous. He acts on impulse and ignores the advice of others on critical issues. I think his decisions are largely driven by self-centeredness and insecurity.
One could argue that my position is a partisan one, but the fact that so many of the people who have worked closely with him at very high levels of government and/or who are from his own party feel the same way should raise even more alarm bells about what a second Trump presidency could/would look like. If one isn't affected by what he's said and done in the past, hearing Kelly, Cheney, Christie, and others talk about him should send shivers down everyone's spine.
I think that people in the GOP who roundly criticized him after the last election but have now reversed course and are supporting him are doing exactly the same thing that people surrounding Biden who ignored his decline did. They're placing their own and/or their party's interests over what is better for the country at a very fundamental level.
Every voter has to determine what is most important to them. From where I sit it boils down to country over party and character over policy.
@wtg said in What if he loses:
@Mik said in What if he loses:
Interesting piece, and in a typical election looking at policy issues like these when making the decision regarding whom to vote for would be normal. But I don't think this is a normal election, or perhaps it's that I feel so strongly that Trump is not a normal candidate. There is no "but what about X?" in the equation as far as I'm concerned.
Every voter should read the Kelly interview in the NYT and listen to the audio clips.
“In many cases, I would agree with some of his policies,” he said, stressing that as a former military officer he was not endorsing any candidate. “But again, it’s a very dangerous thing to have the wrong person elected to high office.”
And Cheney.
If your response to Gen John Kelly, gold star father & Trump’s WH chief of staff, confirming that Trump praised Hitler & called members of our military “suckers and losers” is to defend Trump, you need to look in the mirror and realize your dishonor will live forever.
Sidebar...I'm not a doctor but I think Trump is suffering from significant cognitive decline over the last four years. I don't know how anyone could think otherwise listening to his speeches. But we can set that aside and focus on character.
I think Trump is a deeply flawed person. It’s more than just someone with whom I disagree with on policy, or that I just don't connect with on a person-to-person level. His management style embraces chaos, creates crisis, and pits people against each other. In an already volatile world, I don't see that as a productive approach, and in fact I think it's dangerous. He acts on impulse and ignores the advice of others on critical issues. I think his decisions are largely driven by self-centeredness and insecurity.
One could argue that my position is a partisan one, but the fact that so many of the people who have worked closely with him at very high levels of government and/or who are from his own party feel the same way should raise even more alarm bells about what a second Trump presidency could/would look like. If one isn't affected by what he's said and done in the past, hearing Kelly, Cheney, Christie, and others talk about him should send shivers down everyone's spine.
I think that people in the GOP who roundly criticized him after the last election but have now reversed course and are supporting him are doing exactly the same thing that people surrounding Biden who ignored his decline did. They're placing their own and/or their party's interests over what is better for the country at a very fundamental level.
Every voter has to determine what is most important to them. From where I sit it boils down to country over party and character over policy.
Cheney is one of the worst living war criminals on the planet. It gives me pause that he is supporting Harris. But that's just me.
