Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?
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@jon-nyc said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
But less flip, it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust, yet both are, indeed, processed foods. We need to make a better distinction. ('Ultra' helps, but only so much. It suffers from the same imprecision and lack of any biological reference).
I realize I'm yelling into a void.
Maybe not.
@steve-miller recommended the book Ultra-Processed People by Chris von Tulleken in a thread we had a while back about breakfast cereals. It's pretty interesting.
it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust
The "organic whole wheat" label is marketing. Until you look at the ingredients, you don't really know how processed that organic whole wheat bread is. I'm a fan of homemade sourdough myself.
Dr Chris' easy UPF swaps, though I suspect @jon-nyc doesn't really need the suggestions as he already eats pretty healthy food...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/chris_van_tulleken_ultra_processed_food_swaps
@wtg said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
The "organic whole wheat" label is marketing. Until you look at the ingredients, you don't really know how processed that organic whole wheat bread is.
The stuff I buy is made by spirit millennials who go barefoot and eat their deodorant.
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@jon-nyc said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
But less flip, it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust, yet both are, indeed, processed foods. We need to make a better distinction. ('Ultra' helps, but only so much. It suffers from the same imprecision and lack of any biological reference).
I realize I'm yelling into a void.
Maybe not.
@steve-miller recommended the book Ultra-Processed People by Chris von Tulleken in a thread we had a while back about breakfast cereals. It's pretty interesting.
it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust
The "organic whole wheat" label is marketing. Until you look at the ingredients, you don't really know how processed that organic whole wheat bread is. I'm a fan of homemade sourdough myself.
Dr Chris' easy UPF swaps, though I suspect @jon-nyc doesn't really need the suggestions as he already eats pretty healthy food...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/chris_van_tulleken_ultra_processed_food_swaps
@wtg said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
The "organic whole wheat" label is marketing. Until you look at the ingredients, you don't really know how processed that organic whole wheat bread is.
Seriously though, this sentence is borderline unintelligible. I mean, not really because people understand that one means 'processed in a bad way, not a neutral or good way, but that just makes my point.
Flour is always processed. (ever seen wheat? it looks totally different than flour) Salt, same. When they mine it, it isn't in granules. Sugar? Looks very different in the bag than in the cane.
My decaf coffee is 'more processed' than regular. Does that mean it's worse for me? I don't think so.
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Had a multi-national Thanksgiving celebration hosted by our daughter, her husband and friends from a beach community in the Dominican Republic. Maybe 25 people up in a house in the hills overlooking the ocean. A little yoga, some guitar music, some pool time, some sun, a little rain and a mix of local foods prepared by a chef. Delightful time meeting their beach family!
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@wtg said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
The "organic whole wheat" label is marketing. Until you look at the ingredients, you don't really know how processed that organic whole wheat bread is.
Seriously though, this sentence is borderline unintelligible. I mean, not really because people understand that one means 'processed in a bad way, not a neutral or good way, but that just makes my point.
Flour is always processed. (ever seen wheat? it looks totally different than flour) Salt, same. When they mine it, it isn't in granules. Sugar? Looks very different in the bag than in the cane.
My decaf coffee is 'more processed' than regular. Does that mean it's worse for me? I don't think so.
I get what you are saying, but I'm not coming from the common definition of "processed". If you look at the NOVA food classification system and/or look into Tulleken's work, my observation about organic whole wheat bread might make more sense to you.
While NOVA isn't perfect, it's a starting point to discuss the concepts on a scientific level. I'm interested in the evolving research into what goes into our food and how it affects us. Honing the word choice, while not a bad thing to do to make it more understandable to and usable by the general public, not so much.
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@wtg said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
The "organic whole wheat" label is marketing. Until you look at the ingredients, you don't really know how processed that organic whole wheat bread is.
Seriously though, this sentence is borderline unintelligible. I mean, not really because people understand that one means 'processed in a bad way, not a neutral or good way, but that just makes my point.
Flour is always processed. (ever seen wheat? it looks totally different than flour) Salt, same. When they mine it, it isn't in granules. Sugar? Looks very different in the bag than in the cane.
My decaf coffee is 'more processed' than regular. Does that mean it's worse for me? I don't think so.
@jon-nyc said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
My decaf coffee is 'more processed' than regular.
I missed this first time around.
Does that mean it's worse for me?
It depends. Is it chemically decaffeinated or is it Swiss Water Process?
(where's that devil emoticon when you need it?)
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By the way, I really wish we could retire the phrase 'processed food' and come up with new description(s) of the foods in the category based on the mechanism or degree of harm. 'Processed' is just too neutral and generic (you know those strawberries you're eating? They've been through the picking, washing, and packaging process - really!).
But less flip, it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust, yet both are, indeed, processed foods. We need to make a better distinction. ('Ultra' helps, but only so much. It suffers from the same imprecision and lack of any biological reference).
I realize I'm yelling into a void.
@jon-nyc said in Happy Thanksgiving - What's your story?:
By the way, I really wish we could retire the phrase 'processed food' and come up with new description(s) of the foods in the category based on the mechanism or degree of harm. 'Processed' is just too neutral and generic (you know those strawberries you're eating? They've been through the picking, washing, and packaging process - really!).
But less flip, it seems to me there's a big difference between organic whole wheat bread and neon-orange cheese dust, yet both are, indeed, processed foods. We need to make a better distinction. ('Ultra' helps, but only so much. It suffers from the same imprecision and lack of any biological reference).
I realize I'm yelling into a void.
You're absolutely right. A term that general is often ignored by the bulk of the population.
