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    The Surveillance Empire That Tracked World Leaders, a Vatican Enemy, and Maybe You

    Inside the hidden world of First Wap, whose untraceable tech has targeted politicians, journalists, celebrities, and activists around the globe.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/10/firstwap-altamides-phone-tracking-surveillance-secrets-assad-erik-prince-jared-leto-anne-wojcicki/

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      Daniel
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      ?

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        No place to hide?

        If a private player has these capabilities, one can only wonder what is beyond the reach of government actors.

        Big Al

        Money seems to buy the most happiness when you give it away.

        Why does everything have to be so complicated, all in the name of convenience. -ShiroKuro

        A lifetime of experience will change a person. If it doesn't, then you're already dead inside. -MarkJ

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          (make the letters upper case and look up the slang; you're welcome!)

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            Our phones are watching and listening even when they are turned off.

            But I ask you-- do you want to be without a phone and Internet in 2025?

            And as many times as I dreamed about it when I was young, living off the grid is definitely now an impossible choice.

            It wouldn't matter anyway.

            You'd wouldn't be beyond the reach of surveillance anywhere.

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              I get the distinct feeling there was a goodly amount of fibbing from the promoters of these services.

              I don't get the cell phone attraction, why are people so hooked on them? Live on them? Need them 24/7? But thankful that I don't feel a need for them.

              The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                So Bernard, do you have a house phone and no cellphone?

                I'm required to make calls, answer texts and emails, and fill out forms on the Internet, about a million times a day.

                For me, right now, using my cellphone is the only cost effective option.

                I own no other electronics.

                I'm pining for a pair of entry level Grado headphones and the foam accessory that changes them to flat on the ear to covering the ear and resting on the skull.

                I want a desktop computer.

                I want monitor speakers.

                None of that's happening until maybe next year.

                I admit I freak out without a cellphone. I feel cut off from the world. I also admit I get bored as hell.

                Of course I remember the days before the telephone system was privatized. I like it so much better. I liked it so much better not being filmed almost 24 hrs a day.

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                  So Bernard, do you have a house phone and no cellphone?

                  I'm required to make calls, answer texts and emails, and fill out forms on the Internet, about a million times a day.

                  For me, right now, using my cellphone is the only cost effective option.

                  I own no other electronics.

                  I'm pining for a pair of entry level Grado headphones and the foam accessory that changes them to flat on the ear to covering the ear and resting on the skull.

                  I want a desktop computer.

                  I want monitor speakers.

                  None of that's happening until maybe next year.

                  I admit I freak out without a cellphone. I feel cut off from the world. I also admit I get bored as hell.

                  Of course I remember the days before the telephone system was privatized. I like it so much better. I liked it so much better not being filmed almost 24 hrs a day.

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                  @Daniel said in The hidden world of First Wap:

                  So Bernard, do you have a house phone and no cellphone?

                  I have a cell phone but it's off 99% of the time. I pay roughly $5/mo. so it's available for travel emergencies, or when I need to receive a code for 2-factor authentication. I find cell phones awkward, too small, too noisy, and too complex. But even my home phone is rarely used. I'm so not a phone person. The one in our house when I was growing up was unavailable when we were children, and as teenagers could be used to confirm meetup times, but not for general chin wagging.

                  I use my camera for taking pictures and my video camera for videos.

                  I own no other electronics.

                  That would make a cellphone a reasonable option.

                  The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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