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  • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

    @Bernard That's awesome!!! You pick a beautiful piece to start with!!

    Can you tell me how the class works, since I always think of group piano class as something for beginners.

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    @ShiroKuro This class is specifically for adults, any level I believe. The class is small. There were only three of us today. There is a limit of 8. The number of students may change during the first few weeks of the semester as everyone settles into what they want.

    We can each play something for the class, then each student in turn offers comments (in a supportive way), then the teacher offers his. Discussion ensues.

    I will play the Nocturne again next week, keeping in mind what I received today. For instance, one student thought my 2 against 3 wasn't always clear--with which I agree. The topic of rhythm was brought up but what I really think, is the piece didn't 'flow' (first class, nerves, unfamiliar piano, like yeah). The teacher focused on the first measure which is very free form, and repeated, before the piece really begins. I've struggled with meaning for this measure and how to play it. And from what I've listened to on Youtube, I'm not alone. Everyone plays it differently!

    In one of the group classes I took before covid, we also read a book (piano or music related), reading a chapter during the week and discussing it in class. I don't think we'll be doing that in this class.

    The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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      Bernard - Miriam Batashivali did a bunch of mini-lessons on that nocturne. i thought they were quite helpful. They're only on TikTok to my knowledge.

      [link text](https://www.tiktok.com/@mariampiano/video/7269760902818303264
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        kluurs
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        Hopefully, you can see those??

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          @ShiroKuro This class is specifically for adults, any level I believe. The class is small. There were only three of us today. There is a limit of 8. The number of students may change during the first few weeks of the semester as everyone settles into what they want.

          We can each play something for the class, then each student in turn offers comments (in a supportive way), then the teacher offers his. Discussion ensues.

          I will play the Nocturne again next week, keeping in mind what I received today. For instance, one student thought my 2 against 3 wasn't always clear--with which I agree. The topic of rhythm was brought up but what I really think, is the piece didn't 'flow' (first class, nerves, unfamiliar piano, like yeah). The teacher focused on the first measure which is very free form, and repeated, before the piece really begins. I've struggled with meaning for this measure and how to play it. And from what I've listened to on Youtube, I'm not alone. Everyone plays it differently!

          In one of the group classes I took before covid, we also read a book (piano or music related), reading a chapter during the week and discussing it in class. I don't think we'll be doing that in this class.

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          ShiroKuro
          wrote last edited by ShiroKuro
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          @Bernard that sounds wonderful, I would love to do something that!

          What kind of school is the place where this class is held?

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            Hopefully, you can see those??

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            Bernard
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            @kluurs I can see them! I'm not on TikTok but they're playing ok. Thanks!

            I've watched about half of them, will watch remainder later. I'm glad to see her take on the first two measures. I've watched a lot of recordings of this and there are so many interpretations, from extremely slow to very rubato to barely any expression at all. I think they're a tough couple of measures.

            The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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            • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

              @Bernard that sounds wonderful, I would love to do something that!

              What kind of school is the place where this class is held?

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              @ShiroKuro It's a private music school (by which I mean it's not affiliated with any universities or colleges).

              https://uvmusic.org/

              I don't particularly like the name of the place. When I first moved here, I thought it was a music store! Such as it is. But it's a wonderful resource.

              The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                Bernard - Miriam Batashivali did a bunch of mini-lessons on that nocturne. i thought they were quite helpful. They're only on TikTok to my knowledge.

                [link text](https://www.tiktok.com/@mariampiano/video/7269760902818303264
                https://www.tiktok.com/@mariampiano/video/7270510768192261409?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7220799768191764010
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                Bernard
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                @kluurs I'm so happy to see her take the 2nd half of the middle section at the correct tempo. (Day 12 video) In almost all the youtube recordings I've watched, the pianist speeds up this section, and I've not been able to figure it out, because there's no tempo change in the manuscript.

                Maybe it's related to their hearing the second piano concerto. Chopin wrote this Nocturne for his older sister as an etude in preparation for playing the second concerto. Both parts of the middle section appear in the concerto. I wonder if this is why pianists speed up at that point?

                The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                  Interesting to me that she decides to play major chord (Day 21) four measures from the end. I have the same edition she has, in which there are two versions. The first version goes major four bars from the end. I'm playing the first version but have borrowed the minor chord from the second version because I like hearing the switch to major right at the end (two bars from the end) because I think it makes a wonderful effect.

                  The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                    Thanks again, kluurs. Those were enjoyable.

                    The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                      I'd hoped you'd find it worth the watch. She comes across as a kind and knowledgeable teacher. At the time, she was hoping to have people learn the work and then post their version which she would critique - all out of the generosity of her heart. She did some exposition on other works - but sadly, not to this level. She's also done some general mini-lessons on other piano performance-related issues.

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