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  • Solving the food waste problem

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    @adagiom That’s a great way to incentivize people to recycle. ASSUMING that they really do recycle everything. It seems though that most plastic ends up in a landfill even though you put it in the blue bin.
  • Piano buzz

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    That looks great! @AndyD said: Dates from 1860-70 Wow!
  • Here kitty, kitty

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    Tangent. This reminds me of Queen Victoria. History records the relationship Queen Victoria had with John Brown as consisting of everything involved in a marriage except any formal wedding. She wrote it down in a letter to an aristocrat after John Brown passed. She lamented the fact that she had two experience grief a second time. This letter was discovered in thr family's library by random chance, many years after she was was interred with Albert at Frogmore, famously with mementos of her relationships with both men. Also, I'm reminded of the only historical record of the assassination of Ludwig II. An artist somehow found his body soon after the fact. His drawing gave history a forensic analysis of the crime. Source: Daniel. Excuse me for interrupting.
  • Dedicated to the Forum

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    To each his own.
  • Very old fish

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    Do the grandchildren visit?
  • Narcissus

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    @jon-nyc said: I’ve not studied it. This is the kind of thing AI is great at. Here’s Claude’s take: Great questions — Echo is actually the emotional key to the whole myth, and it makes way more sense once you see how her story and Narcissus's mirror each other. Who was Echo, and what happened to her before Narcissus? Echo was a mountain nymph. In Ovid's version, she had a habit of talking constantly — and she used it to help Zeus (Jupiter). Whenever Hera (Juno) went looking for Zeus mid-affair with one of the other nymphs, Echo would distract Hera with long chattering stories, giving Zeus time to get away. When Hera figured out the trick, she punished Echo with a curse: Echo could no longer speak her own words first. She could only repeat the last words someone else said to her. So what was Echo doing in the Narcissus story? After the curse, Echo sees Narcissus wandering in the woods, falls in love with him, and follows him — but she can't call out to him or start a conversation. She can only wait for him to speak, then repeat his words back. There's a famous moment where he calls out "Who's here?" and she can only answer "...here." Eventually he rejects her cruelly (he'd rather die than let her touch him), and devastated and ashamed, she withdraws into isolation. Did Echo die? Yes — sort of. She wastes away from grief and rejection, her body fading until literally nothing is left but her voice. She becomes what we now call an "echo": the acoustic phenomenon of a voice bouncing back without a body behind it. So she wasn't an echo of something at the start — she became the phenomenon we call an echo, as a consequence of the curse plus her heartbreak. That's why it feels sad rather than just a device: it's a literal transformation, a person reduced to only being able to reflect back what others say. Why does she matter to Narcissus's story? Because she's not a warning exactly — she's a parallel. Narcissus rejected Echo (and others) cruelly, and Nemesis (goddess of retribution) curses him in return: he falls in love with his own reflection, something he can never have or touch, just as Echo could never fully speak or be heard as herself. Both of them waste away pining after something unreachable — she for a person who won't turn toward her, he for an image that isn't even a person. Structurally, they're doubles: Echo can't speak first; Narcissus can't recognize what he's seeing isn't someone else. Communication fails both of them, in mirrored ways. That's likely part of why it felt disorienting — Echo isn't background scenery, she's doing real narrative work, and leaving her out (as your friend seems to have done) makes the story lose its shape. The myth is really about two kinds of unreciprocated love collapsing into each other. @jon-nyc That was great! Thanks and warm regards.
  • Meta-thread: Word association thread

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    I haven’t met him but I’m sure we know some of the same people. I’ve recently gotten to know the chief of medicine at his institution since she’s the current head of the American Thoracic Society and I’m on their finance committee.
  • How to Prove that a Photograph is Real - Apple Inc.'s Answer

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    Looks useful for some applications.
  • The bride's parents didn't fund this wedding

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  • Whether where you are

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    We’ve had some good weather here too. Today’s high is 83.
  • A new doomsday approaches

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    Saw this ad from Meta for the first time this morning on TV. It's been out for a while, was posted on Faceypage by Zuck a few months ago. https://www.facebook.com/zuck/videos/1344461651205053/ TechCrunch had a story about this ad and some others. https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/23/meta-launched-a-new-ai-optimism-ad-set-to-a-song-about-human-extinction/
  • Micellar Water - let's talk skin care

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    MrsTuner has been using it for a number of years since she has sensitive skin that gets dried out by anything harsh.. No long-term negatives to report.
  • Japanese centenarians

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    Wow. That's an impressive figure. I met old Japanese people in Hawaii occasionally including women, men, and couples. They were fascinating. The were so gentle.
  • Impeach Hegseth

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    Saw a picture of the real Pete this morning. He is wearing a red majorette-like uniform with knee high white boots. Of course I can not find that now.
  • Canada calls his bluff

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    Canada invited to become first 'associate member' of the EU European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced on Wednesday that Canada has been invited to become the first “associate member” of the EU. She announced the move during her 2026 State of the Union address in Strasbourg, to an audience including not only MEPs but also Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, who attended her speech in the midst of a trade war with the US. Since late August, the Canadians have been pushing hard for the Europeans to build a closer relationship with them, though full EU membership is not an option as Canada is not a European state. During her speech before the MEPs on Wednesday, von der Leyen invited the country to become “the first associate member of the European Union". “We share one ocean, one set of values, one way of seeing the world. And we will now build our shared future as well,” she added. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/09/16/canada-to-become-first-associate-member-of-the-eu
  • Taking bets...

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    Ok, demolish the building. Burn it to the ground. See what that does. Ok, it's an open book test. The answer is nothing.
  • Leafscrolling - fall color?

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    The last day of summer is near. I'm glad.
  • What's your Uber rating?

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    5.0 Since I've never used Uber and the default starting score is 5.0
  • Where were you when the Great Recession hit?

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    And I ended up letting a house go back to the bank, thereby trashing my credit for 7 years. No matter, I wasn’t in a position to buy anything anyway.
  • Agerich at the proms

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    https://www.ft.com/content/96f911e8-eb7d-4d50-aada-7e751d42d83b?syn-25a6b1a6=1 2026 Last night of proms Yuja Wang performed Barber's piano concerto, then a jazz suite. Her playing (and dress) dazzles, I watched it through despite not liking the Barber much, nor the jazz. How, who, to follow her? ... very entertaining tenor singing a fab Scottish medley.