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  • Ax’s lame movie recos and cool YouTube picks

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    AxtremusA
    Link to video
  • Probably bots and spammers

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    wtgW
    @Jodi said: Klaus has done some housekeeping on the other forum because of that. Yea, they've had hundreds and hundreds of bogus accounts for years. When this was just the backup site the registration didn't require admin approval and we had a zillion spam accounts, too. I deleted them when we moved over here as the permanent WTF, and @axtremus changed registration to require approval. The only hiccup that I'm aware of is that I rejected @marchant twice, not realizing that it was Ballyhoo with a new name.
  • Bit of excitement in the neighborhood

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    @wtg wow!! That’s a lot of drama, and a lot of noise, to then still be able to have that morning coffee. I’m not confident we would have the same positive experience here!
  • Economics of AI

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    I have read about tokens before, and one of the problems is that the definition of a token is pretty fluid (as far as I can tell) and not only is it inconsistent across platforms, it’s inconsistent within the same platform. So it’s not like character count or word count, where the user could monitor their token use with 100% accuracy. From @axtremus ’s article: Tokens represent a unit of output, either in text or image, from an LLM. For the Ask Sage tool, a single token equates to about 3.7 characters, according to documents viewed by WIRED From OpenAI (https://help.openai.com/en/articles/4936856-what-are-tokens-and-how-to-count-them) Spaces, punctuation, and partial words all contribute to token counts. This is how the API internally segments your text before generating a response. One thing that makes it particularly hard to monitor token usage is that the same amount of text could be interpreted as different amounts of tokens, depending on how it’s entered. At least, that’s according to what I’ve read, and the OpenAi article recommends to “break large text into smaller chunks” if you exceed your token limit. So what does a “chunk” mean? Does that mean that the same prompt content would be interpreted as fewer tokens if you entered it little by little, rather than all at once? It would seem so, but that doesn’t make sense to me.
  • Buy an iPhone will be more like leasing a car now?

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    It’s shocking how many people (and seemingly those who can least afford it) already behave this way. I’ve heard many people talk about how with their plan plan they “get to upgrade in one more year” or whatever. The implication being as soon as they’ve paid off one phone they “get to” buy another one. Having said that the component cost increase is quite real. Strange though because we generally expect consumer electronics to be relentlessly driven down in cost over time. I buy my phones outright from the Apple Store. Hopefully memory gets cheaper by the time I need to replace Mayla’s, she’s a bit of an instagram queen and needs the max memory on hers.
  • Jackie and Shadow 2026

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    wtgW
    Jackie is sick, undergoing treatment. https://abc7.com/live-updates/big-bear-bald-eagle-jackie-latest-health-update-says-bird-received-successful-life-saving-blood-transfusion-remains-critical/19564788/
  • Haven't seen Daniel lately

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    ShiroKuroS
    Either way, I hope he’s ok.
  • What are you reading?

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    Got these this week: [image: 1784917186533-6867.jpg] [image: 1784917194286-6907-resized.jpg]
  • Reflections on Biden admin decisions re Gaza and Iran

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  • Smart TV mischief

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    wtgW
    I see even Speed Queen is going to electronic controls on some models, but they still have some with mechanical dials. Like this one: https://www.abt.com/Speed-Queen-Top-Load-Washer-3.2-Cu.-Ft.-in-White-AWN632SP116TW02/p/158384.html
  • The No Data Centers Pledge

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    wtgW
    AI bet goes awry: Oracle fires 21,000 employees Oracle laid off ~13% of its staff to fund a $300B computing deal with OpenAI. Now, a credit downgrade and $7B in required power grid guarantees put the massive project in jeopardy. https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/tech-and-start-ups/article-903442 On, Wisconsin!
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    "Trump Administration Drops Subpoena Demanding List of Jews From Penn" https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/23/us/eeoc-subpoena-penn-jewish-list.html
  • Meta-thread: Word association thread

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    ShiroKuroS
    I can't figure out how we got from Unagi to Lumbago, but it's cracking me up!
  • Mildly Interesting

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    Guess the piano piece from the first note. Starts easy https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1RDW7oREPT/
  • She left her corporate job…

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    DougGD
    it’s a bold to move to make a change into something more creative and fulfilling. Reminds me of the leap of faith I took to become a bank accountant…
  • William Shatner heading to Chicago

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  • Money, money. Who's got the money?

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  • The tariff clown car rolls on - Canada edition

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    @wtg said: About the tariffs on alcohol... https://theconversation.com/trumps-new-tariffs-give-ontario-and-quebec-the-perfect-excuse-to-sell-their-unsold-american-booze-287930 Anecdotally, folks in my area are fine with them putting US booze back on the shelves to placate the US, though most people say they wouldn’t buy it anyway. I’ve heard folks suggest that we should put it back on shelves but on the bottom shelf, which I think is a great gesture.
  • $2 and a dream, now available in the UK

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    1 in 292million ! Euro lottery is 1 in 140 million UK lottery is 1 in 70 million
  • France joins Australia re social media

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