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There’s a rolled chord in Clair de Lune that is giving me a lot of trouble. Here’s the score:

This is measures 25-27. Oh and for the record, CdL (this part anyway) is in Db major, so five flats.

The part I’m struggling with is the LH in measure 26. First I played it 5-4-3-2-1, then I tried 5-3-2-1-2. Neither fingering choice was working. Then my teacher suggested to take the Db Eb with the thumb (i.e. play them with the thumb at basically the same time o r maybe with a slight lag as the thumb goes down on Db first), so now I’m playing it 5-3-2-1-1. I’ve been trying to play it this way for the last few days.

But with each of these three options, I can’t seem to get it to sound right, or even passable. The rest of the LH here, and of course the RH, are all fine.

Any suggestions about how to practice it? Or any thoughts on these different fingering options? What fingering would you do?

@kluurs @bernard and @andyd any advice?

Anyone else, please chime in!

TIA!!

@Daniel thank you. It’s really frustrating.

Also, would you mind editing your post so that it doesn’t quote me like that? I might want to go back and delete this in the future, since it’s kind of personal.

Thank you in advance!

@Bernard that sounds like a great approach!!

Snotty

@Bernard ah, got it. That’s a neat way to set up the class. I wish they had something like it here (did I already say that above?

Re music theory, I’m pretty sure I wrote about this back then, but I enrolled in an online (mostly async) music theory class through the uni here, but I quickly dropped because I really didn’t like how it was taught (and it was a huge time commitment right when I was getting for a research trip).

I think it might have been different with a different instructor (or if it was a in-person class), but it was taught in such a decontextualized way, it was very frustrating.

I would love to try to study music theory again some time, but I think it would need to be tightly connected to playing

@mary-anna that sounds great! And you get to sing the fun parts! Also, it's cool that you're able to play the piano for one of the pieces too! What is the music?

@Bernard I'm sorry you had a rough class! It definitely happens to all of us!

@Bernard said:

I should have a few weeks before I play again

Oh so you don't play every week? Does the class meet every week?

@jon-nyc said:
This year they canceled days 2 and 3 due to a Nor’easter. We usually ride rain or shine, and that’s the ‘official’ stance, but on Saturday and Sunday we had sustained 25mph winds with gusts to 45mph so they canceled two days for safety.

Yikes! I’m glad they canceled!!

@jon-nyc what kind of ride was it? I mean, distance, time?

@Big_Al said:

The past 2nd Trump term has seemed to me to have been like being in the trenches during a mortar barrage. Some hit at a distance and you count yourself lucky. Some hit nearby and you know where it hit. Some land on someone you know and wounds or kills them. You just wonder if one had has our name on it.

Sadly, this feels very, very accurate as a way to describe how things are!

@RealPlayer I didn’t know that, but I just googled and it said that he lost vision permanently in one eye and was told there’s a chance that it could happen in the other eye (although it has not yet).

@bernard your piano class meets weekly right? What?

I was thinking about your class and I think it’s similar to what they call “studio class” here at the university music school. Except that studio classes are only for music majors, so I’ll never be able to take one.

Today is my piano lesson day. It’s funny how much I look forward to it!

I don’t think I’m making any actual progress with Clair de Lune, but I did add another two measures to the parts of the score I’m working on, so that’s not nothing. But the slowness with which I move through this piece is in stark contrast to how much more quickly I’m moving through the other two pieces I’m working on.

@steve-miller A few days back, your photos weren’t laid g for me, but I came back to this thread today and now they are. What a great trip you’re having! The photos are stunning so I can imagine how glorious it must be to see it all in person!

@jon-nyc said:

They’re over 20 years old. It’s just that prescribing them for weight loss is newish. Used to be just diabetes.

Wow, I didn’t know that! I knew that expanding them to general weight loss came after their use for diabetes, but I thought the drugs themselves were truly new.

@jon-nyc said:

I strongly suspect that the risk to your health of obesity greatly exceeds the risk of this potential side effect if it is one.

Probably. Still, if someone isn’t diabetic and is just taking the drugs for weight loss, they ought to know whether it incurs an increase in this kind of risk that they wouldn’t otherwise have.

I’m probably more attuned to thinking about relative risks with medications

I would imagine!

given that I take drugs known to cause chronic kidney disease (with utter certainty, the only question is severity) and increase my skin cancer risk by 100x (not a typo).

I didn’t realize that! Are there things you can do to mitigate these risks?

@Rontuner said:

So far our son's research job is still ok - I believe lots of private funding has been able to bridge the gaps left behind by the Trumpublican regime

Hopefully your son will continue to helped both those resources.

But some of those gaps are just going to go unfilled.

@bernard thank you!

P.S. i meant to say, "not enough research to definitively establish a cause-and-effect relationship" does not mean that such a relationship doesn't exist.

OMG!

a 63-year-old man was prescribed Ozempic to manage his diabetes in 2023 and woke up four months later with loss of vision in one eye. He continued taking the medication, not knowing it had been linked to vision problems in some clinical trials and studies, and lost sight in his other eye in October 2024.

"Now legally blind, Engel has had to quit his job and give up his commercial driver’s license. He can’t see his grandkids play baseball, he said, and the couple has shelved much of their retirement travel bucket list," USA TODAY reported.

Ok, also this:

There is currently not enough research to definitively establish a cause-and-effect relationship between GLP-1s and NAION or other vision changes.

But seriously, these glp-1 drugs are so new, doctors should be more cautious about prescribing them, and any new illness or symptom in a person on a glp-1 maybe should lead to increased scrutiny of possible connections.

@RealPlayer said:

My daughter’s job will soon be ending

I'm so sorry to hear this!!

@Jodi thank you!

@Mary-Anna Oh cool!! I wonder what their song catalog looks like.

The ones in Japan are soooo comprehensive, with all kinds genres, languages etc.

thank you @mary-anna

@Piano-Dad said:

Piano*Son's job is in jeopardy.

I'm so sorry!

STEM research is collapsing along with humanities.

Yep. It's a blood bath. And there are so, so many other horrible things that are happening, that a lot of these "little side attacks" are just not on the radar for most people.

I put "little side attacks" in scare quotes because most of these will have (are already having) significant, far-reaching, long-lasting impacts that far exceed the surface level area (i.e., a completely derailed stem and humanities research engine is going to be far more destructive than most people realize.)