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    Hardly anyone expected 2026 to be a year of peace, and it was barely two days old when the worst fears were confirmed.

    The overnight strikes on Venezuela, the abduction of its leader, Nicolás Maduro, and his wife, and Donald Trump’s declaration that the US would “run” the country and sell its oil, have driven another truck through international law and global norms. But that is not even the most concerning thing about it..

    Trump’s belief in his own global omnipotence, and his desire to grab the territory and natural resources of other countries has been held in check until now by his fear of entanglement in foreign wars. He claimed (falsely) to have ended eight wars, and his greatest ambition in 2025 seemed to be winning the Nobel peace prize. Less than a month ago he was brandishing a hastily confected substitute, the Fifa peace prize. That act of self-abasement by world football’s governing body looks even more absurd now than it did when Trump grabbed the gold medal and put it around his own neck.

    Trump’s apprehension over foreign wars seems to be waning. He was clearly thrilled by the drama of the Maduro operation, and the efficiency of the American soldiers who carried it out, declaring on Saturday he was “not afraid” of deploying ground forces in Venezuela to pursue his interests. For an ageing president, growing more petulant, irascible and incoherent with every day in office – facing diminishing popularity and desperate to distract attention from the Epstein child-trafficking scandal – a tightening embrace of military power is an ominous development..

    He looks at the world through the eyes of a 19th-century imperialist, but with 21st-century weapons.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/03/putin-russia-us-foreign-policy-venezuela

    What’s next? Greenland? Iran?

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      "They" announced which countries they were going to invade decades ago. A top military officer was at the Pentagon one day, was given this information, and shared it with the public. I can cite it if someone demands it of me. I don't really feel like doing it but I am willing and able. Iran and Venezuela were on the list. This is before the 2nd Iraq was was started. Make no mistake. Trump is doing nothing but following orders.

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      • D Daniel

        "They" announced which countries they were going to invade decades ago. A top military officer was at the Pentagon one day, was given this information, and shared it with the public. I can cite it if someone demands it of me. I don't really feel like doing it but I am willing and able. Iran and Venezuela were on the list. This is before the 2nd Iraq was was started. Make no mistake. Trump is doing nothing but following orders.

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        @Daniel said in The Putinization of US foreign policy:

        Trump is doing nothing but following orders.

        Whose orders? The Barge, the Illuminati, the Heritage Foundation, the George Soros, the Oprah?

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          Interesting theory taken from FB:

          Something about Venezuela is not sitting right with me.
          This is a long one.
          And take this all with a grain of salt, because who the hell am I? I could be overthinking this whole thing.
          Here’s what can be backed up by reporting:
          14 days before the U.S. captured Nicolás Maduro, Russia evacuated the families of its diplomats from Venezuela. December 20th. Wives and kids. Quiet, organized, done.
          Then on January 3rd, Delta Force drops in, grabs Maduro and his wife, and it’s over in under thirty minutes.
          That doesn’t seem like a coincidence.
          Russia publicly condemned the whole thing - called it armed aggression, demanded a UN Security Council meeting, the whole performative outrage routine. But you don’t evacuate your people two weeks in advance unless you know something’s coming. And if you know something’s coming, someone told you.
          Here’s where it gets weirder.
          Cuba - Venezuela’s other major ally - didn’t evacuate anybody. Cuban doctors are still there, confined to their quarters, families back in Havana losing their minds because nobody warned them this was happening. China? Same thing. No evacuation, just reactive condemnation after the fact.
          So Russia knew. Cuba and China didn’t. Or at least they didn’t foresee any consequences from a US intervention - because sure;y they knew that Russians were leaving.
          Now let’s talk about how the operation actually went down.
          Venezuela spent two billion dollars on Russian S-300 air defense systems - the kind that are supposed to turn the Caribbean into a no-fly zone for the U.S. military. On paper, these things track 24 targets simultaneously, knock cruise missiles out of the sky at 250 kilometers. Caracas should have been a fortress.
          The U.S. neutralized all of it in under twenty minutes.
          Either American military tech is so vastly superior that we can casually dismantle a Russian-backed air defense network before anyone even knows we’re there, or those systems were ordered not to fire. Maybe both. But the speed of it - the totality of it - that’s what doesn’t add up.
          And if we can do this - why is the Ukrainian war with Russia still happening?
          Anyway - one helicopter took minor damage. That’s it. No U.S. casualties. No significant Venezuelan casualties that anyone’s bothered to specify. Vice President Delcy Rodríguez went on TV and said “innocent people died” but never gave numbers, never gave details, and hasn’t brought it up again.
          For a surprise military raid on a hostile capital city, that’s remarkably clean.
          And then there’s Maduro himself.
          He and his wife both surrendered. Not fought to the death, not tried to escape, not holed up for a siege. Surrendered. The FBI Hostage Rescue Team was part of the extraction force - not just Delta, but FBI HRT, the guys who specialize in cooperative extractions. You bring HRT when you’re expecting the target to come willingly.
          The whole transport route screams pre-arrangement.
          Maduro goes from his compound to the USS Iwo Jima, then Guantanamo, then a nice clean flight to New York where a 25-page indictment is ready to unseal the same day he lands.
          That indictment was prepared. The grand jury had already done its work. Jay Clayton’s signature was on it before Maduro ever got on that helicopter.
          They knew exactly when he’d be in custody.
          Here’s what I think happened - and again, I’m speculating here, but the pieces fit.
          Maduro was cornered. His economy collapsed. He lost the 2024 election and the international community recognized his opponent. His former intelligence chief, Hugo Carvajal, pled guilty back in June and started cooperating. That guy would have known everything - security details, schedules, which officers were loyal, which ones would fold. Maduro’s wife was indicted. His son was indicted. He was facing life in prison if the U.S. ever got him.
          I actually watched a video of a recent interview that Maduro did where he said that he was ready to work with the US - he was just waiting for them to call.
          So what if he made a deal?
          What if Maduro, through back channels, offered to surrender in exchange for a reduced sentence? Maybe witness protection, maybe unfrozen assets, maybe immunity for his kid. The U.S. gets him in custody, gets control of Venezuelan oil, gets a clean regime change without a prolonged war.
          Russia gets advance warning, pulls their people out, avoids an international incident. And everybody gets to maintain their public positions for domestic audiences.
          Maduro looks like a victim - kidnapped by imperial aggression, not a guy who cut a deal to save his own ass. The U.S. looks strong - tough on dictators, military dominance, America first. Russia looks outraged - standing up to American hegemony. And Venezuela’s power structure stays mostly intact because Trump’s not working with the democratic opposition, he’s working with Maduro’s own vice president.
          That last part is what really cinches it for me.
          María Corina Machado won the Nobel Peace Prize. She won the opposition primary. Her guy, Edmundo González, won the actual presidential election by a two-to-one margin and got international recognition as Venezuela’s legitimate leader.
          Seventy percent of Venezuelans support the opposition.
          Trump dismissed her. Called her a nice woman who doesn’t have support or respect in the country. Then said the U.S. would work with Delcy Rodríguez - Maduro’s second-in-command, who is also under U.S. sanctions, who was appointed acting president by Venezuela’s Supreme Court literally while Maduro was being transported to New York.
          Why would you capture a dictator on narco-terrorism charges and then immediately partner with his deputy who’s part of the same regime?
          Unless she was part of the arrangement.
          Look, I get it. This sounds like conspiracy theory territory.
          Maybe the U.S. military is just that good. Maybe we walked into Caracas, deleted their air defenses, grabbed their president, and walked out without breaking a sweat purely through overwhelming technological superiority and brilliant tactical execution. Maybe Russia’s evacuation two weeks prior was just really good intelligence gathering and risk management.
          Maybe all the weird coincidences - the immediate indictment, the cooperative surrender, the FBI involvement, the decision to work with the existing regime - maybe that’s all just efficient planning.
          But 14 days?
          Russia evacuated 14 days before the operation. That’s not a coincidence. That’s not good intelligence. That’s advance notice.
          And if Russia knew, someone told them. And if someone told them, this wasn’t a surprise raid.
          The real question is what everybody got out of the deal.
          Maduro probably gets a reduced sentence if he cooperates, maybe stays alive instead of getting killed by his own people or spending the rest of his life in supermax. The U.S. gets Venezuelan oil back online - Trump literally said American companies will “spend billions of dollars” fixing the infrastructure and “start making money for the country.”
          Russia cuts its losses on a failed investment in Venezuela, maybe gets some Ukraine concessions we don’t know about yet. And Venezuela’s regime structure stays in place with a new face at the top who’s already signaled she’ll play ball.
          Everyone wins. Except the Venezuelan people, obviously. And the pro-democracy movement that actually won the election.
          But when has that ever mattered when oil and geopolitics are on the table?
          We’ll know more Monday when Maduro shows up for his arraignment. If he pleads guilty immediately, if he takes a cooperation deal, if this whole thing resolves quickly and quietly - that’s your confirmation. You don’t get that kind of efficiency in the U.S. criminal justice system unless the defendant’s already made a deal before he walked in the door.
          Like I said. Maybe I’m overthinking it.
          But if you’re not convinced - think about this - how massively bad would it have been for Trump if even one person died on this mission? If they had made a single mistake?
          That’s a fucking crazy chance to take if you don’t already have the odds stacked in your favor.

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            @Daniel said in The Putinization of US foreign policy:

            Trump is doing nothing but following orders.

            Whose orders? The Barge, the Illuminati, the Heritage Foundation, the George Soros, the Oprah?

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            @Axtremus said in The Putinization of US foreign policy:

            @Daniel said in The Putinization of US foreign policy:

            Trump is doing nothing but following orders.

            Whose orders? The Barge, the Illuminati, the Heritage Foundation, the George Soros, the Oprah?

            The Pentagon's, oh ye of little faith. Now I'll have to find the tape and roll it. Jeez.

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              And, BTW, imperialism (and colonialism) are alive and well. You'd have to have been sleeping through the last two years not to have seen this.

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                Note to self-- find the clip for Ax.

                Give me a few days, Ax. Posts that are blatantly insulting can wait for a convenient time. I've been insulted "IRL" more than enough lately.

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                • RontunerR Rontuner

                  Interesting theory taken from FB:

                  Something about Venezuela is not sitting right with me.
                  This is a long one.
                  And take this all with a grain of salt, because who the hell am I? I could be overthinking this whole thing.
                  Here’s what can be backed up by reporting:
                  14 days before the U.S. captured Nicolás Maduro, Russia evacuated the families of its diplomats from Venezuela. December 20th. Wives and kids. Quiet, organized, done.
                  Then on January 3rd, Delta Force drops in, grabs Maduro and his wife, and it’s over in under thirty minutes.
                  That doesn’t seem like a coincidence.
                  Russia publicly condemned the whole thing - called it armed aggression, demanded a UN Security Council meeting, the whole performative outrage routine. But you don’t evacuate your people two weeks in advance unless you know something’s coming. And if you know something’s coming, someone told you.
                  Here’s where it gets weirder.
                  Cuba - Venezuela’s other major ally - didn’t evacuate anybody. Cuban doctors are still there, confined to their quarters, families back in Havana losing their minds because nobody warned them this was happening. China? Same thing. No evacuation, just reactive condemnation after the fact.
                  So Russia knew. Cuba and China didn’t. Or at least they didn’t foresee any consequences from a US intervention - because sure;y they knew that Russians were leaving.
                  Now let’s talk about how the operation actually went down.
                  Venezuela spent two billion dollars on Russian S-300 air defense systems - the kind that are supposed to turn the Caribbean into a no-fly zone for the U.S. military. On paper, these things track 24 targets simultaneously, knock cruise missiles out of the sky at 250 kilometers. Caracas should have been a fortress.
                  The U.S. neutralized all of it in under twenty minutes.
                  Either American military tech is so vastly superior that we can casually dismantle a Russian-backed air defense network before anyone even knows we’re there, or those systems were ordered not to fire. Maybe both. But the speed of it - the totality of it - that’s what doesn’t add up.
                  And if we can do this - why is the Ukrainian war with Russia still happening?
                  Anyway - one helicopter took minor damage. That’s it. No U.S. casualties. No significant Venezuelan casualties that anyone’s bothered to specify. Vice President Delcy Rodríguez went on TV and said “innocent people died” but never gave numbers, never gave details, and hasn’t brought it up again.
                  For a surprise military raid on a hostile capital city, that’s remarkably clean.
                  And then there’s Maduro himself.
                  He and his wife both surrendered. Not fought to the death, not tried to escape, not holed up for a siege. Surrendered. The FBI Hostage Rescue Team was part of the extraction force - not just Delta, but FBI HRT, the guys who specialize in cooperative extractions. You bring HRT when you’re expecting the target to come willingly.
                  The whole transport route screams pre-arrangement.
                  Maduro goes from his compound to the USS Iwo Jima, then Guantanamo, then a nice clean flight to New York where a 25-page indictment is ready to unseal the same day he lands.
                  That indictment was prepared. The grand jury had already done its work. Jay Clayton’s signature was on it before Maduro ever got on that helicopter.
                  They knew exactly when he’d be in custody.
                  Here’s what I think happened - and again, I’m speculating here, but the pieces fit.
                  Maduro was cornered. His economy collapsed. He lost the 2024 election and the international community recognized his opponent. His former intelligence chief, Hugo Carvajal, pled guilty back in June and started cooperating. That guy would have known everything - security details, schedules, which officers were loyal, which ones would fold. Maduro’s wife was indicted. His son was indicted. He was facing life in prison if the U.S. ever got him.
                  I actually watched a video of a recent interview that Maduro did where he said that he was ready to work with the US - he was just waiting for them to call.
                  So what if he made a deal?
                  What if Maduro, through back channels, offered to surrender in exchange for a reduced sentence? Maybe witness protection, maybe unfrozen assets, maybe immunity for his kid. The U.S. gets him in custody, gets control of Venezuelan oil, gets a clean regime change without a prolonged war.
                  Russia gets advance warning, pulls their people out, avoids an international incident. And everybody gets to maintain their public positions for domestic audiences.
                  Maduro looks like a victim - kidnapped by imperial aggression, not a guy who cut a deal to save his own ass. The U.S. looks strong - tough on dictators, military dominance, America first. Russia looks outraged - standing up to American hegemony. And Venezuela’s power structure stays mostly intact because Trump’s not working with the democratic opposition, he’s working with Maduro’s own vice president.
                  That last part is what really cinches it for me.
                  María Corina Machado won the Nobel Peace Prize. She won the opposition primary. Her guy, Edmundo González, won the actual presidential election by a two-to-one margin and got international recognition as Venezuela’s legitimate leader.
                  Seventy percent of Venezuelans support the opposition.
                  Trump dismissed her. Called her a nice woman who doesn’t have support or respect in the country. Then said the U.S. would work with Delcy Rodríguez - Maduro’s second-in-command, who is also under U.S. sanctions, who was appointed acting president by Venezuela’s Supreme Court literally while Maduro was being transported to New York.
                  Why would you capture a dictator on narco-terrorism charges and then immediately partner with his deputy who’s part of the same regime?
                  Unless she was part of the arrangement.
                  Look, I get it. This sounds like conspiracy theory territory.
                  Maybe the U.S. military is just that good. Maybe we walked into Caracas, deleted their air defenses, grabbed their president, and walked out without breaking a sweat purely through overwhelming technological superiority and brilliant tactical execution. Maybe Russia’s evacuation two weeks prior was just really good intelligence gathering and risk management.
                  Maybe all the weird coincidences - the immediate indictment, the cooperative surrender, the FBI involvement, the decision to work with the existing regime - maybe that’s all just efficient planning.
                  But 14 days?
                  Russia evacuated 14 days before the operation. That’s not a coincidence. That’s not good intelligence. That’s advance notice.
                  And if Russia knew, someone told them. And if someone told them, this wasn’t a surprise raid.
                  The real question is what everybody got out of the deal.
                  Maduro probably gets a reduced sentence if he cooperates, maybe stays alive instead of getting killed by his own people or spending the rest of his life in supermax. The U.S. gets Venezuelan oil back online - Trump literally said American companies will “spend billions of dollars” fixing the infrastructure and “start making money for the country.”
                  Russia cuts its losses on a failed investment in Venezuela, maybe gets some Ukraine concessions we don’t know about yet. And Venezuela’s regime structure stays in place with a new face at the top who’s already signaled she’ll play ball.
                  Everyone wins. Except the Venezuelan people, obviously. And the pro-democracy movement that actually won the election.
                  But when has that ever mattered when oil and geopolitics are on the table?
                  We’ll know more Monday when Maduro shows up for his arraignment. If he pleads guilty immediately, if he takes a cooperation deal, if this whole thing resolves quickly and quietly - that’s your confirmation. You don’t get that kind of efficiency in the U.S. criminal justice system unless the defendant’s already made a deal before he walked in the door.
                  Like I said. Maybe I’m overthinking it.
                  But if you’re not convinced - think about this - how massively bad would it have been for Trump if even one person died on this mission? If they had made a single mistake?
                  That’s a fucking crazy chance to take if you don’t already have the odds stacked in your favor.

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                  wrote last edited by
                  #8

                  @Rontuner said in The Putinization of US foreign policy:

                  Interesting theory taken from FB:

                  Something about Venezuela is not sitting right with me.
                  This is a long one.
                  And take this all with a grain of salt, because who the hell am I? I could be overthinking this whole thing.
                  Here’s what can be backed up by reporting:
                  14 days before the U.S. captured Nicolás Maduro, Russia evacuated the families of its diplomats from Venezuela. December 20th. Wives and kids. Quiet, organized, done.
                  Then on January 3rd, Delta Force drops in, grabs Maduro and his wife, and it’s over in under thirty minutes.
                  That doesn’t seem like a coincidence.
                  Russia publicly condemned the whole thing - called it armed aggression, demanded a UN Security Council meeting, the whole performative outrage routine. But you don’t evacuate your people two weeks in advance unless you know something’s coming. And if you know something’s coming, someone told you.
                  Here’s where it gets weirder.
                  Cuba - Venezuela’s other major ally - didn’t evacuate anybody. Cuban doctors are still there, confined to their quarters, families back in Havana losing their minds because nobody warned them this was happening. China? Same thing. No evacuation, just reactive condemnation after the fact.
                  So Russia knew. Cuba and China didn’t. Or at least they didn’t foresee any consequences from a US intervention - because sure;y they knew that Russians were leaving.
                  Now let’s talk about how the operation actually went down.
                  Venezuela spent two billion dollars on Russian S-300 air defense systems - the kind that are supposed to turn the Caribbean into a no-fly zone for the U.S. military. On paper, these things track 24 targets simultaneously, knock cruise missiles out of the sky at 250 kilometers. Caracas should have been a fortress.
                  The U.S. neutralized all of it in under twenty minutes.
                  Either American military tech is so vastly superior that we can casually dismantle a Russian-backed air defense network before anyone even knows we’re there, or those systems were ordered not to fire. Maybe both. But the speed of it - the totality of it - that’s what doesn’t add up.
                  And if we can do this - why is the Ukrainian war with Russia still happening?
                  Anyway - one helicopter took minor damage. That’s it. No U.S. casualties. No significant Venezuelan casualties that anyone’s bothered to specify. Vice President Delcy Rodríguez went on TV and said “innocent people died” but never gave numbers, never gave details, and hasn’t brought it up again.
                  For a surprise military raid on a hostile capital city, that’s remarkably clean.
                  And then there’s Maduro himself.
                  He and his wife both surrendered. Not fought to the death, not tried to escape, not holed up for a siege. Surrendered. The FBI Hostage Rescue Team was part of the extraction force - not just Delta, but FBI HRT, the guys who specialize in cooperative extractions. You bring HRT when you’re expecting the target to come willingly.
                  The whole transport route screams pre-arrangement.
                  Maduro goes from his compound to the USS Iwo Jima, then Guantanamo, then a nice clean flight to New York where a 25-page indictment is ready to unseal the same day he lands.
                  That indictment was prepared. The grand jury had already done its work. Jay Clayton’s signature was on it before Maduro ever got on that helicopter.
                  They knew exactly when he’d be in custody.
                  Here’s what I think happened - and again, I’m speculating here, but the pieces fit.
                  Maduro was cornered. His economy collapsed. He lost the 2024 election and the international community recognized his opponent. His former intelligence chief, Hugo Carvajal, pled guilty back in June and started cooperating. That guy would have known everything - security details, schedules, which officers were loyal, which ones would fold. Maduro’s wife was indicted. His son was indicted. He was facing life in prison if the U.S. ever got him.
                  I actually watched a video of a recent interview that Maduro did where he said that he was ready to work with the US - he was just waiting for them to call.
                  So what if he made a deal?
                  What if Maduro, through back channels, offered to surrender in exchange for a reduced sentence? Maybe witness protection, maybe unfrozen assets, maybe immunity for his kid. The U.S. gets him in custody, gets control of Venezuelan oil, gets a clean regime change without a prolonged war.
                  Russia gets advance warning, pulls their people out, avoids an international incident. And everybody gets to maintain their public positions for domestic audiences.
                  Maduro looks like a victim - kidnapped by imperial aggression, not a guy who cut a deal to save his own ass. The U.S. looks strong - tough on dictators, military dominance, America first. Russia looks outraged - standing up to American hegemony. And Venezuela’s power structure stays mostly intact because Trump’s not working with the democratic opposition, he’s working with Maduro’s own vice president.
                  That last part is what really cinches it for me.
                  María Corina Machado won the Nobel Peace Prize. She won the opposition primary. Her guy, Edmundo González, won the actual presidential election by a two-to-one margin and got international recognition as Venezuela’s legitimate leader.
                  Seventy percent of Venezuelans support the opposition.
                  Trump dismissed her. Called her a nice woman who doesn’t have support or respect in the country. Then said the U.S. would work with Delcy Rodríguez - Maduro’s second-in-command, who is also under U.S. sanctions, who was appointed acting president by Venezuela’s Supreme Court literally while Maduro was being transported to New York.
                  Why would you capture a dictator on narco-terrorism charges and then immediately partner with his deputy who’s part of the same regime?
                  Unless she was part of the arrangement.
                  Look, I get it. This sounds like conspiracy theory territory.
                  Maybe the U.S. military is just that good. Maybe we walked into Caracas, deleted their air defenses, grabbed their president, and walked out without breaking a sweat purely through overwhelming technological superiority and brilliant tactical execution. Maybe Russia’s evacuation two weeks prior was just really good intelligence gathering and risk management.
                  Maybe all the weird coincidences - the immediate indictment, the cooperative surrender, the FBI involvement, the decision to work with the existing regime - maybe that’s all just efficient planning.
                  But 14 days?
                  Russia evacuated 14 days before the operation. That’s not a coincidence. That’s not good intelligence. That’s advance notice.
                  And if Russia knew, someone told them. And if someone told them, this wasn’t a surprise raid.
                  The real question is what everybody got out of the deal.
                  Maduro probably gets a reduced sentence if he cooperates, maybe stays alive instead of getting killed by his own people or spending the rest of his life in supermax. The U.S. gets Venezuelan oil back online - Trump literally said American companies will “spend billions of dollars” fixing the infrastructure and “start making money for the country.”
                  Russia cuts its losses on a failed investment in Venezuela, maybe gets some Ukraine concessions we don’t know about yet. And Venezuela’s regime structure stays in place with a new face at the top who’s already signaled she’ll play ball.
                  Everyone wins. Except the Venezuelan people, obviously. And the pro-democracy movement that actually won the election.
                  But when has that ever mattered when oil and geopolitics are on the table?
                  We’ll know more Monday when Maduro shows up for his arraignment. If he pleads guilty immediately, if he takes a cooperation deal, if this whole thing resolves quickly and quietly - that’s your confirmation. You don’t get that kind of efficiency in the U.S. criminal justice system unless the defendant’s already made a deal before he walked in the door.
                  Like I said. Maybe I’m overthinking it.
                  But if you’re not convinced - think about this - how massively bad would it have been for Trump if even one person died on this mission? If they had made a single mistake?
                  That’s a fucking crazy chance to take if you don’t already have the odds stacked in your favor.

                  No, I'm convinced. Completely.

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                    #9

                    Link to video

                    Ax, Venezuela wasn't on his list but Iran was on it. My error.

                    I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and gratitude for what you've done for us.

                    I would appreciate it if you didn't accuse me of the pejorative cliche of being a "conspiracy theorist" and if you'd refrain from making sarcastic replies to me.

                    Thanks for your understanding.

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                        The world turned on its head. I was just listening to the Russian and US ambassadors to the UN exchanging accusations. Mind boggling.

                        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/05/russia-weighs-up-fall-of-nicolas-maduro-venezuela

                        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                          https://www.facebook.com/reel/1309729444505399

                          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                            What do you think of this guy, Andy?

                            Link to video

                            It's a developing situation? Why didn't he just pull out a vomit bag and vomit into it?

                            I think he's a train wreck from start to finish.

                            Just my 2 cents.

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                                President Donald Trump said he believes the U.S. oil industry could get expanded operations in Venezuela "up and running" in fewer than 18 months.

                                "I think we can do it in less time than that, but it’ll be a lot of money," Trump told NBC News in an interview Monday.

                                "A tremendous amount of money will have to be spent, and the oil companies will spend it, and then they’ll get reimbursed by us or through revenue," he said.

                                Whether the U.S. government ultimately agrees to reimburse the oil industry's costs in Venezuela, or alternatively, decides that future revenue is sufficient repayment, will likely be a key factor for the oil companies as they consider their options.

                                Trump declined to say how much money he believes it would cost companies to repair and upgrade Venezuela's aging oil infrastructure.

                                https://www.nbcnews.com/business/energy/trump-venezuela-oil-companies-reimburse-rcna252434

                                All that tariff money that other countries paid goes back to oil companies. Meanwhile, subsidies for ACA go away.

                                America's Rich People First!

                                The Dem campaign ads are writing themselves....

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                                  From the State Department:

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                                  It's a real tweet:

                                  https://x.com/StateDept/status/2008221563888292207

                                  When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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