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    wtg
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    Reporting from ME:

    https://www.pressherald.com/2025/02/21/read-gov-mills-full-statement-on-trump-investigation/

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      Good on Janet Mills. We need a lot more like her.

      Twenty years ago the IOC completed a study of transgendered persons in sports and concluded that transgender women should compete as women.

      https://www.olympics.com/ioc/news/ioc-approves-consensus-with-regard-to-athletes-who-have-changed-sex-1

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        Personally I think athletes ought to be divided to compete against others who were born the same gender.

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          For better fairness, athletes should be grouped by age, weight, height, and percentage of body fat. Forget about gender, even within the same gender, there will be vast biological differences between one age X and the other age 2X; ditto height, weight, and percentage of body fat.

          Group athletes whose ages, heights, weights, and percentages of body fat are all within a small percentage of each other and that will ensure fairness in the face of biological variances. The smaller the percentage, the fairer the competition!

          To prevent the smarter athletes from outsmarting the dumber athletes, maybe also separate them by IQ, like only allow those whose IQs are within a small percentage of each other to compete as a group (in addition to having their ages, heights, weights, and body fat percentages all within a small percentage of each others', of course). That should ensure maximum fairness.

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            Some bicycle events now have Male, Female, and Non-binary categories.

            “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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              For better fairness, athletes should be grouped by age, weight, height, and percentage of body fat. Forget about gender, even within the same gender, there will be vast biological differences between one age X and the other age 2X; ditto height, weight, and percentage of body fat.

              Group athletes whose ages, heights, weights, and percentages of body fat are all within a small percentage of each other and that will ensure fairness in the face of biological variances. The smaller the percentage, the fairer the competition!

              To prevent the smarter athletes from outsmarting the dumber athletes, maybe also separate them by IQ, like only allow those whose IQs are within a small percentage of each other to compete as a group (in addition to having their ages, heights, weights, and body fat percentages all within a small percentage of each others', of course). That should ensure maximum fairness.

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              @Axtremus said in Governor of Maine takes him on:

              For better fairness, athletes should be grouped by age, weight, height, and percentage of body fat. Forget about gender, even within the same gender, there will be vast biological differences between one age X and the other age 2X; ditto height, weight, and percentage of body fat.

              Group athletes whose ages, heights, weights, and percentages of body fat are all within a small percentage of each other and that will ensure fairness in the face of biological variances. The smaller the percentage, the fairer the competition!

              To prevent the smarter athletes from outsmarting the dumber athletes, maybe also separate them by IQ, like only allow those whose IQs are within a small percentage of each other to compete as a group (in addition to having their ages, heights, weights, and body fat percentages all within a small percentage of each others', of course). That should ensure maximum fairness.

              ahahahaaaaa!

              Yeah, and the maximum height allowed on a basketball team should be 6'0" ... 😁

              Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                The mistake too many people make is thinking that a male to female transgendered person was born male to begin with (and vice versa for female to male). This is the fallacy that causes much confusion. A person who transitions does not do so to take on a new gender. They are the same gender after transitioning as they've always been, only now their outward appearance matches their inner existence.

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                  This:

                  “But do not be misled: this is not just about who can compete on the athletic field, this is about whether a President can force compliance with his will, without regard for the rule of law that governs our nation. I believe he cannot.”

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                    For better fairness, athletes should be grouped by age, weight, height, and percentage of body fat. Forget about gender, even within the same gender, there will be vast biological differences between one age X and the other age 2X; ditto height, weight, and percentage of body fat.

                    Group athletes whose ages, heights, weights, and percentages of body fat are all within a small percentage of each other and that will ensure fairness in the face of biological variances. The smaller the percentage, the fairer the competition!

                    To prevent the smarter athletes from outsmarting the dumber athletes, maybe also separate them by IQ, like only allow those whose IQs are within a small percentage of each other to compete as a group (in addition to having their ages, heights, weights, and body fat percentages all within a small percentage of each others', of course). That should ensure maximum fairness.

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                    @Jodi said in Governor of Maine takes him on:

                    This:

                    “But do not be misled: this is not just about who can compete on the athletic field, this is about whether a President can force compliance with his will, without regard for the rule of law that governs our nation. I believe he cannot.”

                    ☝

                    That caught my eye, too.

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                      AndyD
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                      Wow.

                      You're born biologically the sex male you compete with other biological males.

                      I may identify as a miniature dachshund but I won't ever be allowed in Crufts.
                      And we're not adding weights like we do in horse racing.

                      And I also dictate that like the original Olympics competitors in sports wear no clothes. That'll reduce the entrants to the skiing and skating. And pole vault.

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                        Wow.

                        You're born biologically the sex male you compete with other biological males.

                        I may identify as a miniature dachshund but I won't ever be allowed in Crufts.
                        And we're not adding weights like we do in horse racing.

                        And I also dictate that like the original Olympics competitors in sports wear no clothes. That'll reduce the entrants to the skiing and skating. And pole vault.

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                        @AndyD said in Governor of Maine takes him on:

                        I may identify as a miniature dachshund

                        That statement is mean. It harkens back to the days when it was argued that gay marriage would lead to people wanting to marry their pets. It was a pathetic defense mechanism.

                        There is plenty of biological underpinnings to transgender. There is Swyer syndrome where the body has typically male chromosomes, but female genitalia. There is the fact that one in 4,500 infants (it may even be more prevalent than that according to some) are born with ambiguous genitalia. These infants are "assigned" a gender that may or may not suit them.

                        Someday people will come to accept that gender is not black and white, that we aren't born to fit close minded, pre-conceived notions about being a perfect world where only male and female exist.

                        As I posted above, I think the IOC did a pretty good job at finding a standard of measure. They acknowledge that hormonal therapy alters muscle mass in male to female transitions and wrote their rules accordingly. It seems to me they used science as a measure.

                        (I just want to add a footnote to mention that some of the children born with ambiguous genitalia are subjected to forced and coercive medical interventions. Let that sink in.)

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                          AndyD
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                          Theres plenty to read about it over here https://care.org.uk/news/2023/06/children-in-schools-allowed-to-identify-as-animals

                          Like many I've read about the problems modern sport faces. A Canadian man who wins women weightlifting.
                          "Level playing field" & "completely unfair" versus "discrimination" & "emotional harm".

                          Sport is about competing bodies. Biological.
                          Gender, well I don't see a problem of a one legged person contending a chess final with... whatever the identification

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                            The story about UK school children identifying as animals was exposed as a right wing campaign not based in the reality of what actually happened. It's what the right does in the US too. It's noticeable which UK news outlets twisted and sensationalized the story using falsehoods. And which politicians decided to reap political gain from demonizing the wrong people. It's hateful. (Why am I not surprised to see Murdoch's papers in on the spewing.)

                            A more reputable news source lays it out:
                            https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jun/23/child-identifying-as-cat-controversy-from-a-tiktok-video-to-media-frenzy

                            There's not much that can be said to those who willfully and willingly want to believe in black and white, who won't take the time to discern news from propaganda, fact from fiction, a desire to help from thuggery. Nor the ability to distinguish between lone whacko's (which exist in every domain, including the left) and genuine advocates.

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                              I'd agree. We've just about got a society accepting homosexuality, equal rights etc.

                              But sport ought to be drug free.

                              Have another 3rd option where anything goes. Extra testosterone, cocaine whatever. See what records are broken!

                              As long as they're naked and I get a front row seat for pole vault

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